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COUNTRY GARDENS (1924).....................................Percy Aldridge Grainger
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POET AND PEASANT OVERTURE (1922)..............................Franz von Suppé
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Jacqueline Robins
Cara Natale
Shelby Smith
Lydia Carolan
Devin Kasinki
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Rebecca Marwin
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Allison Battaglia
Alaina Mancini
Jessica Siegal
John Petersen
Steven O’Connor
Brittany Sheridan
Katherine Fottrell
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Diana Carter
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Chang Letitia Kar Hoo
Jonathan Terner
Jason Boniello
David DeFazio
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Alice Xue
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Christopher Patrizzio
Denise Helms
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Jerry Natoli has been a music educator, clinician, adjudicator, and performer in
New York State since 1970. He has guest conducted bands in almost every New
York county, and also regional and all state groups in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas,
and Maryland. Mr. Natoli was the NYSSMA Chairman of Bands while he was
also the Director of Bands at UnionEndicott Schools. He has made his home for
the past 31 years in Endicott, NY, with his wife, Cindy. Currently, Jerry is the
music director and conductor of the Vestal Community Band in Vestal, NY.
When asked to share his greatest successes, Jerry is quick to tell us that for the
last 12 years, even though he has never won, he has been notified by mail that
he was a finalist in the Publisher’s Clearing House $1,000,000 Sweepstakes.
Daniel Fabricius has been a member of the music faculty since 1992, serving as
percussion instructor for twenty years before his appointment as conductor o f
the Wind Symphony. He holds degrees from Mansfield University and Ithaca
College and has studied conducting with Donald Stanley (Mansfield University),
Rodney Winther (Ithaca College), Stephen Peterson (Ithaca College), Col. Arnald
Gabriel (US Air Force), and Mallory Thompson (Northwestern University). In
addition to his duties at BU he also serves as Director of Bands at Owego Free
Academy where he has developed an outstanding instrumental music program.
The bands at OFA have received plenty of praises and the OFA Jazz Band has
been honored to present concert performances at the NYSSMA Winter
Conference in 2008 and 2013.
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and as a music educator. He has been a member of the Binghamton
Philharmonic percussion section since 1982 but is also comfortable performing
in popular, rock, jazz, and other styles. He has played as a freelance
percussionist, accompanying national touring artists such as Michael W. Smith,
Tommy Tune, Jerry Vail, Lorrie Morgan, Ringling Brothers Circus, the Smothers
Brothers, and Ella Fitzgerald. Professor Fabricius has served the New York State
School Music Association as an AllState Percussion adjudicator for many years.
He also serves NYSSMA as the Instrumental Jazz Reviews editor of The School
Music News and is the Jazz Editor for the NYSSMA Manual. In addition to his
collegiate work at BU, he has also served Ithaca College as a consultant, as a
member of the Summer Session faculty, and as a cooperating teacher for over
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Thursday, March 12 Opera Scenes MidDay Concert (Thomas Goodheart) 1:20 p.m.
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Binghamton $10 general public; BU students free with ID For reservations call the Phelps
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Thursday, March 19 Lontano Ensemle: Music Now! 7:30 p.m. Casadesus Recital Hall $1
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BINGHA MTON
U N I V E R S 1 T Y
STA TE U N I V E R S I Y Y OF NEW Y O R K
D E P A R T M E N T
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RACHEL B. YOUNG, SOPRANO
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Freschi luoghi, prati aulenti.
O del mio amato ben
Spirate pur, spirate
An die Musik.
Friihlingsglaube
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Stefano Donaudy
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Gabriel Fauré
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Chanson d’amour
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Ludwig van Beethoven
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O del mio amato ben
Oh lost enchantment of my
dearly beloved,
You are far from my eyes,
Who was my glory pride.
Now through silent rooms
1 always seek and call him with a
hopeful heart.
But I seek in vain, I call in vain.
And the weeping is now dear to
me.
With weeping alone I nourish
my heart.
Also do not be deceived by such
brief prosperity.
It seems to me without him,
there is sadness everywhere.
Day seems like night, fire seems
cold to me.
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cured,
One thought alone torments me.
But without him, what do l do?
To me, life seems a vain thing
without my beloved.
I want, one day, to be reflected
with him in your clearness.
When at last he will show he
understands my languishing.
And you also, clear brooks,
Spirate pur, spirate
Breathe, still breathe around my
beloved. little breezes.
And find out if he holds me in
his heart.
And you also. clear brooks,
which are already running to the
sea,
Do not be miserly with your
waters in the late season of the
year.
1V.
Violin Concerto in D major, Op. 61
I want one day to roam with him
among such green sweetness.
When at last he will show he
understands my languishing.
Cool places, fragrant meadows,
remain always in flower.
Let not one season take away
from you such magical splendor.
Aria of Despina..
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
“ln uomini, in soldati?” from Casi fan tutte
(17561791)
Kol Nidrei, Op. 47
l. Freschi luoghi
Cool places, fragrant meadows,
remain always in flower.
Let not summer till you,
Let not autumn carry you away.
Let not the dead season take
away such magical splendor.
which are already running to the
sea,
Do not be deceived by such brief
prosperity.
Find out, blessed breezes.
Breezes s light and blessed.
�II. An die Musik
You noble art, in these gray
hours,
When life’s wild sphere has
ensnared me,
Have you my heart to warmly
kindle with love?
Have me transported into a
better world.
Often has a sigh flowed from
your harp.
A sweet, heavenly chord from
you.
Better skies have been opened
up for me.
You noble art, I thank you for
that.
You noble art, I thank you.
Frfihlingsglaube
The gentle winds are awakened,
They murmur and waft day and
night,
They create in every corner.
Oh fresh scent, oh new sound!
Now poor heart, fear not!
Now everything, everything must
change.
The world becomes more
beautiful with each day,
One does not know what may
yet happen.
The blooming does not want to
end.
The farthest, deepest valley
blooms.
Now, poor heart, forget the pain!
Now everything, everything must
change.
Clair de lune
Your soul is a chosen landscape
charmed by masks and
bergamasks,
Sad beneath their fanciful
disguises.
While singing in a minor mode,
of love the conqueror and of
favorable life,
They do not seem to believe in
their happiness
and their song mingles with the
moonlight.
Oh calm moonlight, sad and
beautiful,
which makes the birds dream in
the trees.
And makes the fountains sob
with ecstasy,
The tall, slim fountains among
the marble statues.
Chanson d’amour
I love your eyes, I love your
forehead.
Oh my rebellious, oh my fierce
one.
I love your eyes, I love your
mouth
On which my kisses will tire
themselves out.
I love your voice, I love the
strange gracefulness of all that
you say.
Oh my rebel, oh my dear angel,
my hell and my paradise.
1 love your eyes, I love your
forehead.
Oh my rebellious, oh my fierce
one.
[ love your eyes, I love your
mouth
On which my kisses will tire
themselves out.
I love all that makes you
beautiful, from your feet to your
hair.
Oh you to whom my hopeful
pleas ascend, oh my fierce one,
oh my rebel.
1 love your eyes, I love your
forehead.
Oh my rebellious, oh my fierce
one.
1 love your eyes, I love your
mouth
On which my kisses will tire
themselves out.
III. Aria of Despina, “I n
uomini?
7 In soldiers?
7 You hope
In men.
for faithfulness?
Don’t let anyone hear you, for
pity’s sake!
C ut from the same cloth, every
one of them,
The leaves, furniture, and fickle
breezes are more stable than
men!
False tears, deceptive looks,
Misleading voices, charming lies
are their primary qualities!
In that we dislike their pleasure,
Then they despise us, and deny
us affection.
I t is pointless to ask the
barbarians for pity!
Let us females, pay them back
with equal money.
This evil, indiscreet race.
Let us love for convenience, for
vanity!
�ABOUT T HE P E R F O R M E R S
Rachel Young, soprano, is a third year undergraduate voice student
of Professor Mary Burgess in pursuit of her Bachelor’s degree in vocal
performance at Binghamton University. At BU, Ms. Young had
performed the roles of Gretel in Engelbert Humperdinck’s “Hansel
and Gretel” as well as scenes from Verdi’s “Falstaff” as Nannetta,
scenes from Mozart’s “Cosi fan tutte", “Le nozze di Figaro", and
Donizetti’s “L’Elisir d’Amore". Ms. Young recently performed the role
of Kaylee in Michael Ching’s opera “Speed Dating, Tonight!” with Tri
Cities Opera company. Additionally with TCO, she sang in the
chorus of “Carmen” and “Faust". She thanks her friends and family
for their unending support and love.
Ellie Krasner is a junior at Binghamton University pursuing degrees
in both English literature and music. Having played violin for 1 5
years, Ellie previously studied with Dr. Lee Wilkins and Wilfredo
Deglans in Rochester, and is currently studying with Janey
Choi. Before coming to Binghamton, Ellie received her diploma in
advanced studies of violin through the Eastman Community Music
School, and was a member of the Rochester Philharmonic Youth
Orchestra for four years. ln addition, she completed all levels of
NYSSMA auditions and participated in numerous AllCounty and
Area AllState festivals beginning in elementary school. Last summer,
Ellie attended the Eastern Music Festival in North Carolina, a five
week intensive training program for advanced music students. She
frequently performs in more casual settings as well, such as nursing
homes and churches throughout Rochester and Binghamton. Ellie
has taken part in BU’s Chamber Music Program for two years, and
has led the Symphony Orchest as Concertmistress. She is currently
memher of Mu Phi Epsilon, Binghamton’s coed music fraternity.
Ellie attributes much of her vitality and happiness to her passion for
violin.
John Isenberg, a native of Endicott, NY, holds Bachelor of Arts
degrees in Music and Italian, as well as a Master’s Degree in Italian
Literature from Binghamton University. He performs many different
musical genres ranging from Opera and Musical Theater to
traditional Scottish and various styles of sacred music. From 2001
20 1 2, John worked for the TriCities Opera in Binghamton, NY. first
as Accompanist, then additionally as Education Outreach
Coordinator and Chorus Master. During that time, he accompanied
over 500 outreach performances in schools throughout New York
State and northern Pennsylvania. He has performed for WSKG
public radio broadcasts of opera preview performances including
Puccini’s Madama Butterfly, Verdi s La traviata and Mozart’s The Magic
Flute. An active church musician since childhood, John is currently
the Organist/Pianist and Choir Director at Sarah Jane Johnson
Methodist Church in Johnson City. He has served as Pianist/Choir
Director for the high holy days of Rosh Hashanah at Temple
Concord in Binghamton. For the past two summers, John has also
participated in the Songe d’été Music Festival in Lambton, Quebec
(Canada).
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BING HAMTON
U N E N E R S I T Y
S T A T E UN
IVERSlTY O
F N
EW Y
O R K
D E P A R
z ede c
T M E N T
MASTER’S RECITAL
Kevi n Truax , tenor
Joh n Isenber g, piano
Saturday. April 2 5, 20 1 5
3:00 p.m.
Casadesus Recital Hall
�A Young Man’s Exhortation
89 PROG RAM C98
L
I attem pt from love’s sickness.
lf music be the food of love
Not all my torments
Die Schfine Mullerin Op. 2 5
Henry Purcell
(16591695)
Plens
11.
.
Das Wandern
Franz Schubert
(17971828)
Wohin.’
Halt!
Danksagung an den Bach
Am Feierahend
In 182 1 Wilhelm Muller published a volume of seventyseven poems that
included a cycle entitled, Die Schbne Millierin. Within two years Franz Schubert
( 1 797 1828) would go on to discover this poetry and publish his own musical setting
of the text in 1824. Sch u bert did not however set all twentyfive pieces; he left out
the lengthy prologue and epilogue and a few poems throughout to make a final set
of twenty songs. I have included parts of Muller’s prologue and epilogue in these
program notes because I find that they not only serve the drama of Die Schbne
Mallerin, but they also provide an appropriate setting and conclusion to the entirety
of this “Musical Exhortation.”
IIL
.W. A. Mozart
(17561791)
Per pieta, non ricercate.
~In remission—
Poéme d’un jour Op. 2 1........
Rencontrc
The newborn spring cascades over rugged rocks and flows down the valley, now a silvery
brook. The millwheel roars, the machinery whirs, ane can hardly hear the birds in the nearby
grove. So, should a song sound rough and plain, consider it due tn the natural setting.
However, my leading man will let you know what is most attractive about these wheels. l f 1
gave that away , it would spoil his play. 1 wish you farewell, enjoy yourselves, do!
From Die Schbne Mallenn. “The Poet as the Prologue,” W ilhelm Miiller
IV.
.
.
.
Gabriel Fauré
(18451924)
Toujours
Adieu
1.
The first exhortation will be through three pieces by Hen ry Purcell. (1659
1695) Purcell’s career is marked by a great range of successes in such areas as
anthems, songs, and music for early English opera and for the theatre. As a
composer during the English Restoration, he took part in the return of royal
patronage from the English Court towards musicians, and th e return of theatre to
London stages. During the latter pa rt of his life, Purcell wrote the incidental music
for over fifty plays and composed five operas, or Semioperas. “l attempt from love’s
sickness” comes from one these operas, Purcell’s last semi–opera, The Indian Queen,
li bretto by Joh n D ryden. It is a la ment of Queen Zem poalla for having t o give u p
her love for the General Montezuma. It is set scrophically into a french rondeau,
V.
O del mio amato hen
Amorosi miei gitrrni
VL
A Young Man’s Exhortation.. . .
Ditty
.
Stefano Donaudy
(1879192 5)
(or AABACAA)) and incorporates a simple melody with rhyming schemes and
matching cadences. In contrast. both “l f music be the food of love” and “Not all
my torments” are independent declamatory songs that are throughcomposed,
without repeating stanzas or verses. Both pieces have flowing melismatic vocal lines
and have more serious subject matters that would otherwise not be found in
individual strophic songs by Purcell.
II.
A
......Gerald Finzi
(19011956)
Her Temple
A Young Man’s Exhortation
Thu program u offered in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the
degree of Masters of Music in Opera.
In t he first five pieces of Die Schone Miillerin one is introd uced t o a you ng
miller who longs to wander the countryside. He will go on to discover a brook,
follow it downstream to a mill. and seek along with work, the affection of the
beautiful mill maid that lives there. The cycle begins with th e strophic song, “Das
Wandern,” and quickly moves to more throughcom posed settings that move the
drama forward. 1 would encourage you to listen to the “voice” of the piano
throughout these five pieces. The piano not only gives settings and backgrounds for
the overlying text, but provides its own characters that seem to converse with the
speaker, pushing him ever onward into his un requited love.
�111.
“Per pieta, non ricercate” is an aria written by Wolfgang Ama deus Mo za rt
(1 7561 791) for a Vienna performance of t he Italian opera. ll Cunnso Indisereto, (by
tenor,
Pasquale Anfossi) in 1 783. It was to serve as a substitute aria for the German
German
cepting a
c into ac
ese publi
he Vienn
ase t
e
o
johann Valentin Ada m betger, t
his
singer performing in an lralian Opera. (Mo zart also composed two arias for
not to
isterinlaw for the same production) Unfortunately, Adamberger chose
we
perform the replacement a ria, and in the reason provided by Mozart himself,
In a
Salieri.
get a glim pse into the infa mous rivalry between Mo zart and Antonio
was
letter to his fathe r, Mora rt expressed, “At a private rehearsal, before the rondo
atre
rg [the the
written out, Salieri wok Adamberger asde and said to him, t hat Count Rosenbe
not to
ised him
manager] was averse to his introducing an aria , so as his good friend he adv
; he
do so.” The performance seems to have not gone well for Mr. Adamherger
. He
rt refused
ut Moza
e aria, b
returned to Mozart to beg him to give him back th
continues in his l etter. “What was the result! ~ that he had no success; which, indeed, was
give
sure to be the case. Now he repents, but it is too late; for if he were to ask me now to
operas.”
my own
ne of
for it in o
d a place
asily fin
him the rondo I would not do to. I can very e
can
The aria, however, was not used in any of Mozart’s subsequent operas. and we
concert.
r in later
amberge
ed by Ad
perform
ve been
it may ha
only suspect that
IV.
W e arrive now at an exhortat ion by Gabriel Fa uré (184 51924) through
rles
his threepiece cycle, Poeme d’un jour (1878). The poetry is by the poet Cha
ent
a movem
France;
ement in
ian mov
Pamass
rt of the
o was pa
Grandmougin wh
social
which emphasi zed form over emotion, and transcendent imagery over
d up
commentary. Faure’s mus ic shares this sentiment; though emotions may en
rm and
to the fo
being the byproduct of such music and text, Faure shows devotion
ree
language, keeping the m usic void of overt passion and text painting. The th
creates a
ure
hem, Fa
linking t
poems were not originally w ritten as a cycle; by
urse
narrative of a young man’s hopeless and unsuccessful love affair through the co
own
t Faure’s
agine tha
e can im
day. On
of, what we can only conclude, is one single
tion
short engagement in 1877 to Marianne Via rdot played some role in t he forma
of this cycle.
V.
Th e re are several similarit ies betw een t h e tw o following pieces in this
i”
‘Italian Exhorcitinn'. Firstly, “O del mio amato ben” and “Amorosi miei giorn
naudy.
fano Do
both come from the 36 Arie di Stile Antico by the Italian com poser Ste
that
(187919 2 5) Donaudy published the group in 1918. containing songs
songs
of these
the style
encompa. his most wellknown musical outp ut. Though
are henromantic in nature, they incorporate popular forms found in older styles
dating back to the Renaissance. They also share a librettist in Stefano’s brother,
Alberto, who is credited for all 36 texts in the collec tion. Lastly, they share the same
llad
musical form and subject matter; a strophic setting of two verses each, and a ba
re the
ach whe
nts in e
y mome
are man
. There
e found)
of love (One lost and on
performe rs are perm itted to stretch t he timing, bringi ng our key words and phrases.
the
Through flord vocal lines, thick textures, and these moments of suspension,
ression.
its of exp
sh the lim
performers are encouraged to pu
VL
W e end the recital similarly to as we began it: in London, with yet another
d A
short~lived but prolific compose r, Gerald Finzi. (1 90 11956) Finzi compose
Young M an ’s Exharta rion betw een 1 9 2 6 a nd 1 92 9, creati ng a n intende d cycle o
ft e n
songs (though without narrative) using the texts from English poet, Thomas Hardy.
posed,
Hardy’s poetry was a favorite of Finzi; of the over sixty art songs F inzi com
“Her
“Ditty",
over half used his poetry. You will hear three selections from this set:
is set
about (h
Temple", and finally “A Young Man’s Exhortation” What is unique
is the lyric vocal lines juxtaposed by declamatory and sometimes recitativelike
sections. Finzi also utilizes subtle rhythmic diversions and word stress against the
meter to emphasize certain text and passages. The poetry is also uniquely thick and
h
full of imagery tha t seems to be filled wi th new meaning after each reading. Thoug
love
love or
cused on
been fo
day have
most of the Exhortations you have heard to
and
lost, we finally co me to a young m an who has endured these hours w ith love
has come to some conclusions about life. l n this moment h e reflects on whe re he
has been, where h e is going, and how he, and even we, should progress.
We are going to blow out our sun and stars – Now may you find your way home
ming
safely, and should you wish to dream a dainty dream, then think of millavheels and foa
water when you close your eyes and the long night begins, until your head begins to spin with
thinking of it; And he who holds a maiden by the hand, let him ask as he leaves [in a love
stancy.
tolten, and if she gives today what she has often refined, so think of the miller’s con
m an
esture fro
buming g
every
with
With every touch of your hands, with every kiss,
in
bliss with
nglasting
somow lo
his brief
return for
in
overflowing heart: may love give him
your hearu.’
From Die Schoner Mullerin, “The Poet’s Epilogue”, W ilhelm Muller
�Translations
I.
If music he the food of love
Text by : Hen ry Heavlngh nm
If music be the food of love,
Sing on till I am fill’d withjoy;
For then my list ’ning soul you
moveTo pleasures that can never
cloy.
Your eyes, your mien, your tongue
declare,
That you are music ev ’rywhere.
Pleasures invade both eye and ear,
So fierce the transports are, they
wound,
'
And all my senses feasted are;
Tho‘ yet the treat is only sound.
Sure I must perish by your charms,
Unless you save me in your arms.
I attempt from Love ’s sickness
Text by : John Dryden
I attempt from Love’s sickness to
fly in vain,
Since I am myselfmy own fever
and pain.
No more now fond heart, with
pride no more swell,
Thou canst not raise forces enough
to rebel.
For Love has more power and less
mercy than fate.
To make us seek ruin and love
those that hate.
11.
Die Schone Mllllerin, op. 2 5
(The Beautiful Miller Mold)
Das Wandern
(Wandering)
Wandering is the miller‘sjoy.
wandering!
He must be a bad miller,
that never thinks to wander,
wandering.
From water we have learned, from
water!
It does not have rest by day and
Down and always farther
And always the brook follows,
And always freshly rushing,
And always brighter the brook.
Is this then my path?
Oh brook, speak. where to?
You have with your rushing
Entirely intoxicated my mind.
7
What can I say ofthe rushing'.
That cannot be rushing:
It is singing perhaps of the
mermaids
deep below your water.
night,
Oet them sing, my friend, let it
journey, the water.
We see also from the wheels, the
wheels!
They do not like standing still.
All day they do not tire from
turning, the wheels!
And wander joyously onward!
They are going, yes, the mill
wheels
it is al ways concerned about the
The stones themselves, so heavy
they are, the stones!
They move with the merry dance
And want to go even faster, the
stones!
Oh wandering, my joy, oh
wandering!
Dear Master and Mistress,
let me go my way in peace and
wander.
Wohln?
(Where to?)
rush,
In every clear brook.
Halt!
(Stop!)
A mill I see looking
From the tree outward,
Through roaring and singing
To the miller maid!
Has she sent you?
Or have I gone mad?
I should like to know,
If she sent you.
Now however it might be,
I give my commitment:
what I seek, l have found,
however it may be.
For work I ask,
Now I have enough,
For my hands, for my heart,
Fully enough!
Am Feierabend
(On a Restful Evening)
If I had a thousand arms to move!
I could loudly guide the wheels!
I could glide through the trees!
I could move all the stones!
The the beautiful miller maid
Would realize my true feelings!
Ah, how weak my arm is!
What I ficw, what I ca rry,
What I cut, what I hit,
Breaks the sound of wheels.
E very other boy does as w ell as me.
Hey welcome, Hey welcome.
Sweet millsong!
And the house, how cozy!
And the windows, how clear!
And there I sit in the large group,
In the still, cool, restful hour,
And the sun, how bright
From the heavens it shines!
Hey little brook, dear brook,
Was this what you meant?
And the Master speaks to all:
Your work has pleased me;
And the lovely miller maid says
To all a good night.
III.
Per pieta, non ricercate
(for pity, do not seek)
For pity’s sake, do not seek
Text by: anon.
Not all my torments can your pity
I hear a brook rushing,
Probably from the rock spring,
Down to the valley it rushes
So fresh and wonderfully bright.
Yet to the grave I w ill my sorrows
1 do not know, how I feel this,
Nor, who gave me advice,
Your singing, your ringing,
Was this what you meant?
With my walking stick.
To the miller maid!
So it seems to be.
Yes, I feel such cruelty in me,
That not even I know how to
explain it!
Thinking of you; but then how?
For to go; but what do I gain
By doing this or that test,
I f do not find i
n that hope?
F r i a n d h a v a u n d a r c t a n d ?
A h h u e l m m m » ! a n d h u t h a d i c d a i
Not all m y torments
move,
Your scorn increases with my love.
bear:
I love tho’ I despair
I m ust go down
Danksagu ng an dem Bach
(Giving Thanks to the brook)
Was this what you meant,
my rushing friend?
The source o f m
y torment,
�Of my deadly fate,
I call only, oh God, death,
That comes to console me!
IV.
Poeme d ’un jour Op. 2 1
(Poem of a day)
text by Charles G rand mougin
Rencontre
(Meeting)
1 was sad and thoughtful when I
met you,
I feel less, today my persistent
torment;
Oh tell me, could you be the
woman I hoped for,
And the ideal dream I pursued in
vain?
Oh passing with sweet eyes, could
you be the friend
that brings happiness to the lonely
P031.
And will you shine on my
strengthened soul,
like the native sky on an exiled
heart?
Your wild sadness, is like my own,
It loves to see the sun set on the
sea!
Before its immensrty your ecstasy
is awakened,
And the charm of the evening to
your lovely soul is dear;.
A mysterious and sweet sympathy
Already attaches me to you like a
living bond;
And my soul trembles, by an
invading love,
And my heart cherishes you,
without knowing you well.
Toujours
(Always)
You ask of me to be silent,
To fl y far from you forever.
And for me to go off alone
Without remembering whom I
loved!
Sooner ask the stars
To fall into infin ity,
To the night to lose its veils,
To the day to lose its light!
Ask the immense sea
To dry i ts vast waves,
And when the winds are wild,
Ask it to calm its dark sobbing!
V.
O del miu a mato ben
(oh, of m y dea r beloved)
Oh, of my dear beloved, lost
enchantment!
You are far from my eyes
Who was to me glory and pride!
Now in the silent rooms
1 al ways seek and call her
But do not hope that my soul
will tear itself from sorrow,
And shed its flame
As the spring to its flowers.
With a full heart ofhope...
But I seek in vain, I call in vain!
And the weeping is dear to me,
the the weeping alone nourishes my
heart.
Adieu
(Goodbye)
How everything dies quickly, the
surrounding roses,
It seems to me that without her
sadness is everywhere.
Night seems to be the day;
To me the fire is cold.
meadow.
One sees, in this weak world,
to give myselfanother cure,
only one thought torments me:
But without her, what can I do?
To me life seems a vain thing
without my love.
flowers, Our hearts!
Lovcly were my days,
Who could ever forget,
Or that of all the things adorned,
That gave peace to my heart
And the fresh coats speckled in the
The long sighs, the loved ones, Go
up in smoke!
Change
More quickly than the crashing
waves, Our dreams,
More quickly than the frost on
To you, one believed in
faithfulness, Cruel one,
But alas! the longest loves are
short!
And I say on quitting your charms,
without tears,
Almost at the moment ofmy
confession, Goodbye!
If still sometimes I hope
And perfume to my thoughts?
To be able, as life advances,
No longer fear the anxieties
O fa life of deception,
Only with this hope:
That one of her looks is all my
spender.
And one of her smiles may be all
my treasure.
VL
A Young Man ’s Exhortation. Op.
1 4, Text by : Thomas H a rdy
Ditty
Beneath a knap where flown
Nestlings play,
Within walls of weathered stone
Far away From the files o f formal
houses,
By the bough the firstling browses,
Lives a Sweet: no merchants meet,
No man barters, no man sells
Where she dwells.
Upon that fabric fair ‘Here is shel’
Seems written everywhere Unto
me.
But to friends and nodding
neighbours,
Fellow wights in lot and labours,
Who descry the times as I,
No such lucid legend tells Where
she dwells.
Should I lapse to what I was Ere we
met;
(Such will not be, but because
Some forget
Let me feign it) none would
notice
That where she I know by rote i s
Spread a strange and withering
change,
Like a drying of the wells Where
she dwells.
Her Temple
Dear, think not that they will forget
you
If craftsmanly art should be mine
i will build up a temple, and set
you
Therein as its shrine.
They may say : ‘Why a woman such
honour?”
Be told, “O, so sweet was her
fame,
That a man heaped this splendour
upon her;
None now knows his name.
A Young Man ’s Exhortation
Call off your eyes from care
By some determined deftness; put
forth joys
Dear as excess without the core that
cloys,
�And charm Life’s lourings fair.
Exalt and crown the hour
That girdles us, and fill it with glee,
Blind glee, excelling aught could
ever be,
Were heedfulness in power.
Send up such touching strains
That limitless recruits from Fancy’s
pack
Shall rush upon your tongue, and
tender back
All that your soul contains.
For what do we know best?
That a fresh loveleaf crumpled
soon will dry,
And that men moment after
moment die,
Of all scope dispossest.
If I have seen one thing
It is the passing preciousness of
dreams;
That aspects are within us;
and who seems Most kingly is the
King.
ABOUT T H E PERFORMERS
Tenor Kevin Truax. a narive of Pennsylvania, is currently completing his Master of
Music in Opera degree at Binghamton University and received his Bachelors of
Music in Vocal Performanc at Susquehanna University. He has appeared on stage
with TriCities Opera in the roles of El Remendado in Carmen, Don Ottnvio in Don
Giovanni, and Alfred in Die Flederma us. As pa rt of the Bingha mton University
Opera Studio, he has performed the roles of the Witch in Hansel and Gretel,
Bardolfo in Falstaff, Ferrando in Cosi fan tune, and Giles Corey/Judge Danforth in
. The Crucible. Kevin has served locally as a soloist with the SUNY Broome Chorus
and Orchestra in their performance of Handel’s Ode for St. Cecilia’s Day. He has
also been featured as a soloist with the Binghamton University Chorus and
Orchestra in their performances of Bach’s Christmas Oratorio, Haydn’s Mass in Time
. of War, and in their upcoming performance of Mendelssohn’s Lobgesang. He is a
student of Professor Thomas Goodheart.
John Isenberg, a native of Endicott, NY. holds Bachelor of Arts degrees in Music
and Italian, as well as a Master’s Degree in Italian Literature from Binghamton
University. He performs many different musical genres ranging from Opera and
Musical Theater to traditional Scottish and various styles of sacred music. From
20012012, John worked for the TriCities Opera in Binghamton, NY. first as
Accompanist, then additionally as Education Outreach Coordinator and Chorus
Master. During that time, he accompanied over 500 outreach performances in
schools throughout New York State and northern Pennsylvania. He has performed
for WSKG public radio broadcasts of opera preview performances including
Puccini ’s Madama Butterfly, Verdi’s L a tmvmra and Mozart’s The Magic Flute. A n
active church musician since childhood, John is currently the Organist/Pianist and
Choir Director at Sarah Jane Johnson Methodist Church in Johnson City. He has
served as Pianist/Choir Director for the high holy days of Rosh Hashanah at
Temple Concord in Binghamton. For the past two summers, John has also
participated in the Songe d'été Music Festival in Lamhron, Quebec (Canada).
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Saturday, Apri l 2 5 J unior Recital: Rachel Young – 7:30 p.m. – " asadesus Recital Hall
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Sunday, April 2 6 University Win d Symphony: Once U pon a Time 3 p.m.
Anderson Center Chamber Hall $7 general public; $5 flaculty/stati/scniors/alumni; free
for students
. Tuesday, April 28 – Percussion Ensemble 7:30 p.m. Anderson Center Chamber Hall
$7 general public; $5 aculty/staff/seniors/alumni; free for students
Thursday, Apr il 30 MidDay Concert 1 :20 p.m. Casadesus Rec ital Hall free
Thursday, Apr il 30 Piano Ensemble 7 :30 p.m. Casadesus Rec ital Hall free
Friday, May 1 Fl ute Studio and Fl ute Cha m ber Concert 10:1 5 a.m. Ca desus Recital
Hall free
Friday. May 1 Brass Recital 4 p.m. Casadesus Rec ital Hall free
Saturday, May 2 Senior R ecital : D aniel Malinovsky. piano 12 noon Casadesus Recital
Hall frcc
Saturday, May 2 Master’s Recital : Jenny Gac, soprano 3 p.m. Casadesus Rec ital Hall
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�PRO GRAM NOTES
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1.
We begin this gradua te rec ital with th e tath e
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583: I go, but where? This concert aria is a f : aPPT
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as a prelude to Casi fan tutte, to be s un byee‘s ' l "
first Dorabella). M ozart wrote many concge . l” '
specific singers with whom he worked11th
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personally and vocally. As was popular parc
divided into fast/slow sections. The P
throu gh repea ted, agitated patte rnafl'"~
were so characteristically Mozart, M” "
music, and the agitated acco J ,
triple progressions in the pian
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above. Both “voices” are? firB
repeated phrases a ué2
Vado, m a dove?
(I go, but wh ere?)
I go, b ut whe re?
Oh Gods!
l f Heaven feels no pity
for my torme nts an d my sighs!
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g o
.
Though Verd i is best known for his a f».
several songs that em bodied the Italia n nat i ,," '
prese nt du ring much of h is life. Stornelli ar e“ 5. ’
from the Italia n coun trysid e that often inco
subjects and language. The keen listener will also
Verdi opera melodies with in his songs, and that many? ‘ . ..
have a decidedly operatic feel. The text of Perduta hold n a,
familiar Gretchen am Spinnrade of Goethe’s Faust. The m
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spinn ing wheel is absen t in the piano a nd we ate presented w
repea ted, d etached, u nvary ing c hords, exposing Marguerite ’s m ‘l 5,1:
state and a llowi ng the progression of this state to develop ea c h ime
it is repea ted. The vocal line broad ens a nd increases in r h y t hm i c
and dynamic intensity throughout the piece. In the elastic and lively
La zingara, poet S.M. Maggioni highl ights the gypsy life a nd la ck of
�t politics and national distress in
~ me rt and piano accompaniment
‘. r!!! dances over arpeggiated chords
4
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dance influences.
‘ . is heavy
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m longer do I find to find
‘ fliSforceful
ch, the press
, i f s ;
do I hope to find
embace r him,
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fig; “ gypsy
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r was fa t h e r to me,
‘Whatever country was my
liotneland~
in vain people go calling for me
there.
From the beginning I always knew
that my homeland was the earth,
which gave me flowers and fruit.
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fine.
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1 feel I am
Wherever destiny leads me, I find a
smile, I find love.
Why think about the past when the
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present is so happ y.
It ’s true: tomorrow a dark veil could
disturb all this serenity;
but if today my sky shines so
brilliantly blue, why make myself
sad over a doubt ful future?
�death for him; Rusalka obliges. In the act 1 aria, Mésiéku na nebi
hlubokém, Rusalka sings to the moon, asking it to tell the prince of
her love.
Mésiéku n a n e b i h lubokém
Tell him, silvery moon,
(Moon i n t he d eep s ky)
Moon, high in the deep sky,
your light can see far.
Over the whole earth you roam
And see into the homes of people.
that my arms embrace him,
so that he, for at least a moment,
remembers me in his dreams.
Shine your light where he is,
tell him, oh tell him I am waiting
Moon, stand still for a moment,
tell me, where is my love?
here!
l f his human heart can hear me,
let this memory awaken him.
Moon, stay with me!
V.
Alexandre Georges is a lesserknown French organist and composer
who studied under Cesar Franck. Georges wrote mainly for the
voice, including several sacred vocal and choral works, dramatic
oratorios and works for the OpéraComique. Miarka is based on a
novel written by M. Jean Richepin. It premiered as a full opera on
November 7, 1905, but was later revised and presented as a lyric
drama in 1925 and included 15 songs. During the ti me this piece
was written symbolism, naturalism, regionalism, and orientalism
were commonly exhibited in the Ope’raComique. The story of
Miarka embodies these ideologies. Vougne, mother of Miarka is a
gypsy. Vougne is the daughter of the king of the Romanichels tribe,
prone to hallucinations and gifted at the reading of tarot cards. In
the beginning of the opera, the tribe has vacated, leaving her behind
though she is with child. She remains at the borders of a river by a
rural village until her daughter, Miarka, is born. Vo ugne immerses
Miarka in the river and consecrates her to the sun (Hymne au soleil).
Vougne hears a mysterious voice foretelling that Miarka will be
queen one day. As Miarka grows, Vougne passes on to her the
traditions of her tribe, including rare books that contain sacred
songs of the Romanischels and reverence for nature (La pluie, L ’eau
qui court). Vongue tells her daughter of her d reams and visions and
performs enchantments in order to realize her dream of Miarka as
�queen. After awhile, Vougne and Miarka are forced to leave their
dwelling, and they travel, searching for their Romanichels tribe.
Vougne falls ill along this journey, just as they are approaching the
tribe. Before she dies, Vougne’s dreams are realized: the king of the
tribe weds Miarka and she becomes queen (Cantique d’amour).
Vongue expires, happy.
Hym ne a u So leil
(Hymn to the sun)
Sun that flames,
Sun of redgold,
Sun that burns,
Sun with diamonds,
Sun that creates,
Sun that bleeds!
Sun, 1 offer you this livinggold,
Sun, I give you diamonds of flesh,
Sun, I dedicate to you the blood of
my blood.
Sun, put your gold on her skin,
Sun, put your diamonds in her eyes,
Sun, put your blood in her heart.
Sun that flames,
Sun of redgold,
Sun that burns,
Sun with diamonds,
Sun that creates,
Sun that bleeds!
La p luie
(The rain)
Rain, rain with fresh lips, kisses the
ground with dry lips
And makes cracks on the surface.
L ’eau qui court
(Running water)
If the running water could talk she
would tell great stories.
She would recount the earth and
the sky.
The water has as many shadows as
the earth has blades of grass.
The water has as many reflections as
the sky has stars.
Each blade of grass speaks to its
shadow, and each star to its
reflection.
This has been since the world
began~
~if the running water could talk!
But the eyes of the good Romanians
are as clear as the running water.
And, like the water, they pass
through things without rest.
Each blade of grass recounts its
mysterious birth to them; and each
Rain, rain with green fingers,
plays on the skin of dead leaves–his
cheerful “airtambourine.”
star, gazing at itself, tells of all their
adventures.
Rain. rain with blue feet,
Dances the dance, twirling round
since its beginning.
lt is the water that runs and can
speak.
and round, and makes circles in the
dust.
Thus, the clear eyes of the good
Romanians have known the earth
�Cant ique d ’amour
(Canticle o f love)
It’s you! I recognized you by the
serpents of your hair, by the green
sapphires of your eyes.
It’s you! I have always seen your
image shine in the stars of my
nights.
It’s you! I have waited for you, your
love has arrived, living what I have
dreamed.
It’s you! I have chosen. Your whole
body shudders, and m y blood will
burn you.
It’s you! Welcome!
I want to die, exhausted, in a
shroud of kisses.
VI.
American composer and pianist Geroge Gershwin’s music spanned
both popular and classical musical genres. His songs were often
featured in multiple musical productions and his most popular
melodies are still wellknown today. By Strauss has some
lighthearted fun with the most quintessential elements of Johann
Strauss’ music.
Initially intended to be a fully produced musical, Bernstein wrote a
complete score fo r Peter Pan, and it began as a musical adaptation of
the play. Howeve r, only 5 of the songs were initially performed. In
2000, conductor Alexander Frey discovered the score and restored
the complete work, which was prem iered as a fullystaged musical in
London in 2006. In My House Wendy sings of her hopes and
dreams for a futu re with her love.
Based on a Romanian folktake, The Enchanted Pig is a story of a
princess (Flora) who finds out she is to be betrothed to a pig. The
king (her father) believed this pig is enchanted, and Flora travels to
the ends of the earth, and even to heaven to free her husband from
the evil spell that binds him. Flora has two sisters who were each
lucky enough to have been betrothed to a man. In Adelaide’s Lament,
Flora’s oldest sister is having some troubles on her wedding day.
�ABOUT THE PERFORMERS
Soprano Jenny Gac hails from nearby Newark Valley, NY. Ms. Gac
began her training at the Crane School of Music, SUNY Potsdam. She
has appeared on stage with TriCities Opera as Countess Ceprano in
Rigoletto and Sally in Die Fledermaus. As pa rt of the Binghamton
University Opera Studio she has performed the roles of Micaela in
Carmen, Curley’s Wife in Of Mice and Men, Fiordiligi in Cosi fan tutte,
Abigail Williams in The Crucible, Alice Ford in Falstaff, Rosalinda in
Die Fledermaus, and The Mother in Hansel and Gretel. With the Crane
School of Music Opera Ensemble she has performed the roles of: Nora
in The SailorBoy and the Falcon, First Lady in The Magic Flute, and
Zerlina in Don Giovanni. She has also appeared as the soprano soloist in
Dvorak’s Te Deum. She is a 3 year recipient of Ist place in the NATS
vocal competition and is the recipient of a Binghamton University
Graduate Assistantship, Jewel Griffith Vocal Music Scholarship, the
New York State Retired Teachers Association Scholarship, and the
SUNY Potsdam Adirondack Mountain Scholarship. She is a student of
Prof. Mary Burgess.
Michael Lewis, Adjunct Lecturer at BU and Assistant Music Director
at TriCities Opera, earned his undergraduate degree in Vocal
Performance from Ithaca College in May 2013. He has had coaching
experience with the International Vocal Arts Institute, Mill City
Summer Opera, CoOPERAtive program and Ithaca College School of
Music. While at Ithaca College, Michael was involved with the
inaugural season of the first studentrun opera company at IC, Ithaca
College Light Opera, in which he served as Assistant Music Director
and Vocal Coach. H e went on to lead the group in their second season
as Music Director. The opera company continues to perform one one
act opera each semester.
As a vocalist, he has performed a variety of roles in Ithaca College’s
mainstage productions. In his final year at Ithaca, he had the
opportunity to play the title role in Gianni Schicchi. This production
was paired with Suor Angelica, for which Michael served as opera chorus
master. In the past decade, Michael has been actively developing his
style as a composer. H is current works which focus on the voice and
piano have been performed throughout the United States and
Australia.
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Sunday, May 3 – Joint Recital: Junior Max Rydqvist, baritone and
Senior Ricky Nan, tenor – 7:30 p.m. Casadesus Recital Hall – free
Thursday, May 7 – Student Recognition MidDay Concert – 1:20 p.m. –
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Concert 7:30 p.m. Anderson Center Chamber Hall $7 general
public; $5 faculty/staff/seniors/alumni; free for students
Friday, May 8 Nukporfe African Drumming and Dance Ensemble –
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U N I V E R S I T Y
S T A TE U N I V E R S I T Y O F N E W Y O R K
D E P A R T M E N T
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D A N I VIALINOVSKY, P I A N O
Bits and Pieces
Saturday, May 2, 201 5
12 p.m.
Casadesus Recital Hall
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Fantasiestilicke
Op. 12, No. 2 “Aufschwung”
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Robert Schumann
(1810 1856)
Da n Malinovsky was born in Jerusalem, Israel in 1993. He
sta rted studyin g classical piano at the age of 5 and couldn ’t stop ever
since. Since moving to the U.S in 2006, Dan has expanded his repertoire
Sonata in E Major, K531 .
Domenico Scarlatti
(1685 1757)
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Sonata in B Minor, K27 ..
..Domenico Scarlatti
(1685175 7)
Piano Sonata No. 17
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. Ludwig van Beetho ven
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to jazz and po pula r music. During high school, Dan received a perfect
score on the highest level of the NYSSMA exam numerous times. A t
graduation , he was awarded the “Frederic Chopin Awa rd” for
outstanding piano performance, and the “Best Musician Award". He
also performed with numerous orchestras including the NassauSuffolk
Wind Symphony. Before going to Binghamton to study
fina nce, Dan worked on Long Island as a jazz pia nist.
At Binghamton, Dan stud ied piano performance with professors Jinah
Lee and Michael Salmirs, and constantly performed at university
concerts and recitals. Additionally, he was the president of Piano Society,
an organization which h elps studen ts develop piano performance skills
and give back to the community through fundraising and music
education. D a n plans to continue studying piano performance after
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public; $5 faculty/staff/seniors/alumni; free for students
Friday, May 8 Nukporfe African Drumming and Dance Ensemble –
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Julia Kiosse was the daughter of a Russian native and a native Moldovan. She immigrated to the United States in 1998 with her daughter, but without her husband as he could not get the proper documents in time. She lived in a small apartment in Brooklyn for one year before she moved back to Moldova to be with her husband. She moved with her family to the United States in 2000 and settled in Brooklyn.
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Ukrainian Oral History Project
Interview with: Julia Kiosse
Interviewed by: Alexandra Kiosse
Transcriber: Alexandra Kiosse
Date of interview: 26 March 2016 at 11:00 am
Interview Setting: Julia's kitchen in Brooklyn, NY
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(Start of Interview)
Alexandra Kiosse: Can you please tell me your full name, what year you were born, where you lived as a child, and when you moved to America?
Julia Kiosse: Alright my name is Julia Kiosse, I was born in December 12, 1975. I was born in Liv in Moldova, one of the ex-Soviet Union republics until twenty-two/twenty-three years old.
AK: So, what year did you move to America?
JK: It was in 2000, so I was actually twenty-five. Twenty-five years old.
AK: And, what is your profession?
JK: Here, I become actually a freight forwarder, and I'm working in the logistics industry.
AK: I will start from the past and move to the present. So, we learned that the 90's were hard economically for the former Soviet Union. Were you, and how were you, affected by this?
JK: Yes, of course. I remember these years. I was about to graduate school. It was time when the Soviet Union were splitting apart, all republics, and it was very difficult economically wise situation. It was time when the government didn't pay any salaries to their employees, to the people. My father worked for a sports school, he was the coach, and he was not receiving his salary for three, four, five months. So, it was a big deal. It simply affected our eating habits; simply. So I'm not talking about something, you know, specific but simply food wise it was difficult.
AK: So, what was the common food, what did everyone eat?
JK: You know, we are from Moldova so it's a lot of vegetables, but it's also seasonal vegetables because [if] it's still winter in affect so basically, you know, potatoes, very common beets, cabbage, onions. Very common vegetables. And of course cereal, pasta, you know, this is most common. Milk, bread, something like this.
AK: Was there a noticeable change in the society when the Soviet Union fell? So, from '90 or '91 to 93' for example?
JK: Yes of course. You can feel it, you know, it was difficult time for everybody. Everybody was scared. At the same time we got some feeling of freedom, but we didn't know what to do with this freedom because it was like we were always living in certain frames. So all of a sudden we hear about freedom and democracy, we didn't know what to do with this. You know, it was very broad-some kind of term that we heard, but we didn't know how to eat this democracy. So people were kind of scared, puzzled, hungry, and angry also. Because some people were very conservative when we lived building all our lives communism and all of a sudden, you know, this idea falls apart. It was also a lot of disappointment because all of a sudden we realized, so, what's next? It's kind of like a target that all of your life, all of a sudden disappeared. So it was very difficult time.
AK: So you said it was confusing. What did you hear on the news? What did the news tell you?
JK: You see, I was still very young girl. For me it was, you know, news I didn't watch much news. But they were saying a lot about democracy, glasnost, you know it was very common term Gorbachev implemented. Which means that, glasnost¸ you can say whatever you want to say. Which is big deal because, you know, before we lived and we know that we have to filter whatever we're saying. You can say something inside of your family, in the kitchen, but god forbid to say it somewhere out loud. So glasnost, and these were the major terms that were on the T.V. Democracy, what to do, who killed what, what's going on, and it was more friendly relationships with other countries. All of a sudden, we start hearing some stuff that we never heard before on the T.V. That, all of a sudden America become more friendly, or other countries exist and what people do there, and how they're living, and showing some T.V programs about life overseas. It was kind of you know very interesting because we never saw this before. It was kind of eye-opening situation.
AK: When you were in school what did you learn about America, or what were your impressions about America?
JK: It was something at the same time strange, forbidden, and also magically interesting, because we didn't know much about America. We just knew, as a kid, as a child, I knew Levi jeans, I knew some chewing gums, Coca Cola. This was very trendy. And it was, you know, it was not in the stores. You couldn't buy this stuff in the stores, you could only buy it on the black market, it was very expensive. So regular people would not even have, so it was something not reachable, you know, like desirable. So this was. As a child, I remember this America. But otherwise we knew that, you know, it's a lot of bad stuff in America. Like discrimination of black people, they always showing us very scary picture of American life. You know, so we didn't know much. We knew that people living much better there but we didn't know exactly what's going on there. And one of my favorite characters from the United States was Samantha-Samantha, what was her last name I cannot recall- but she came with the Gorbachev time. She was one of the girls that we had exchange program as an open-mind program. So we sent some girl to United States, and Samantha came to us as a peace visitor from the United States. Very cute, very nice-looking girl, so we kind of realized that oh Americans are actually nice-looking people.
AK: Why do you think that they had this exchange program?
JK: It was after a certain period of time, so when Gorbachev actually announced this glasnost and democracy, and you know it was more open to all of us to American people and Russian people. So it was one of the first steps on the normal-people level to exchange views. And you know simply to basically say "hello" to each other.
AK: About America, what did people around you say? Like what did your family say about America, was it nice or did they criticize America?
JK: You see, our family is a Jewish family. So, we have some Jewish roots and we knew, I knew even as a child, for a long time that we will immigrate from this country, from Russia. Because it was, we all understood that this was not normal life that we're living. It is not normal that people with education (like chemical engineer, my mom, and my father who was a coach with a Bachelor's degree) barely making to exist, barely making money to exist. So, it was always some kind of drugging, it was always a terrible situation that we lived. I cannot say "terrible" but we know that people can live better, and we don't understand what we can do in order to do it. You know, you cannot work more, you cannot work harder. It would not help you, you know, it's just the situation that you were living. No matter how hard you were working you still get the same salary. So we were planning to immigrate long time ago, and I knew it as a child, so we were always looking toward America or Germany, and the third option was Israel. So we were always looking to United States as our potential new home. So we didn't know much. We heard a lot of minuses from life in the United States. We understood, of course, all benefits of living in United States, but we didn't know exactly what's going on because we'd never been there.
AK: What about the United States appealed to you? What appealed to you while you were living in Moldova, why did you choose the United States?
JK: I saw already that it will be my potential, my life. I knew that my mind was already programmed that I'm going there to live another life, better quality life. So, I somehow on intuition level I knew that it is better there.
AK: Tell me about your childhood, what did you do in your free time as a child?
JK: We were playing outside a lot. Most of time we were spending outside playing ball, climbing on trees, playing hide-and-seek, bicycling. You know, outside games mostly.
AK: So, you disappeared in the morning and came back at night?
JK: On Saturday and Sunday yes, and then mom periodically was screaming from the window "go home it's time to eat, go home you need to clean up." And then I would clean up or eat and then go again outside, so it was always a lot of kids outside because there was not a lot of toys at home and then because we were very active so it was always pleasure for us to be outside.
AK: When you were younger, elementary school or middle school, did you have a childhood hero or someone you looked up to?
JK: I don't recall. I think it was probably elementary school and probably part of middle school, it was very communist heroes. First of all it was Lenin, because we tried to get this little znachok, how do you call it, pin on your school form with Lenin's portrait, a little star and inside it was Lenin's picture. We were told that best kids would get this pin. Not everybody-you have to behave, you have to be a good child. It means that you have to, besides school you have to treat other people well, you have to give your seat in the bus to the elderly and pregnant women. You cannot throw garbage on the street, you cannot do this and this and this. We were trying to behave basically. Then, because children are more, you know you can give them idea and they easily take this idea. So, they kind of following this. And then of course we had the pioneer, we tried to be good pioneers. It was a big deal. So you behave, and everything. You know if you do something wrong, people would say "no, you cannot do this because you will not be a pioneer! So, it was a big deal. And then we had also a lot of movies about war and about some children, patriotic children, that were killing Nazi people and we try also to be the same kind of hero. Some kind of propaganda I would say. It was not Snow White or something like this. No we didn't have something like this.
AK: Would you say the feelings toward communism were positive?
JK: Yeah it definitely had some positive moments. It's like a religion, it's basically putting you in some behavior frame that you have to behave, especially when the propaganda is working so well, for so many years, that you believe in this. And yes, it disciplines you, especially children, I remember this very well. I would say the scariest part for me was that I would not be a pioneer if I would not behave well. So, it was very motivated reasons to be a good person. Of course there was some positive moments. I can say it for sure.
AK: Do you think communism ultimately failed because of what it was as a system or because of something else, maybe because of some leaders or how they led the system?
JK: No, I think it's the idea. The older I become I understand that this is all baloney, all these ideas. You see in reality when you grow up that yeah you become a pioneer, but a bunch of other bad people become pioneers too. And actually these bad people can play against you just with some kind of secret report that you didn't behave as a proper communist, or something like that. Or basically when you grow up and you go out of college, you get the same salary that person who was fooling around. So it was this, everybody was equal. And then at certain point you got disappointed because it's like, "what is this? I work hard, I study, I tried, I'm working hard, I'm trying to be a good employee but by the end nobody will notice this." They would only give you some piece of paper saying that you're the best employee, but you cannot deposit this into your bank account. By the end it's just like when you have hundreds of these notes, they already cover your bathroom, but you don't have paper towels. You have no money. It works great for small children, but when you grow up and you need real life you understand that something is not clicking together, something is missing here.
AK: What was your education after high school?
JK: I went to college and I started my education in college. I graduated in three years in college and then we decided to immigrate. I got married and we were going to the United States. So I quit basically college.
AK: So did you continue on your education here?
JK: Yes, I went right away here. I got into college and I got my Associate's degree then I moved to Bachelor's degree, and I was working on a Master's degree but I never graduated. I have to come back and finish.
AK: What was your first job after graduating from college?
JK: Here in the United States, my first job that I used my education was job in the airport. I was working in the freight department of Virgin Atlantic, handling import and export of Virgin Atlantic in JFK.
AK: Do you think that your education in Moldova or your education throughout your whole life, from elementary school to high school to college, do you think that affected how you studied or how you learned in America?
JK: Definitely, definitely. We had very good, I think, level of education in [Moldova]. It was a lot of people in school, teachers and counselors that were full of ideas to educate the pioneers. They treat their job pretty well and level of education system was not bad at all. I like it and I see that when I came, I feel that my background was much more ahead of people that I worked with, people in JFK airport who only had high school diploma or a little more. I saw that there were many things they did that they had no idea of. Their education level was behind mine.
AK: What differences do you see, whether they are culturally, educationally, behaviorally, between kids in Moldova, when you were a child, and kids now in America?
JK: It is a difference. I think that in Moldova, education was much better. Much better. It's much more wider, it's much more serious, deep. Even though I was surprised that kids here start reading much much earlier than in Moldova. Both of my daughters started reading here at age six. At six in Moldova, you were still running with a ball outside, have no idea about books or reading. So, we started at seven or eight, my first grade I was eight because I was a December child.
AK: The same question, but what do you think about kids socially? How do you think kids are different in the former Soviet Union than they are now here in America?
JK: It has nothing to do with the Soviet Union or the United States now. It's just the technology level, I think now no matter what, even in Moldova now, it's different because technology is killing, unfortunately, social skills. Kids are growing from toddler age with iPads, phones. They like to play games and it has also a lot of pluses but it's also a big minus towards social skills unfortunately. So we were much more open in the old times because we had no devices. Toys were not so sophisticated, so even if you had a doll you better take it out and play with your girlfriends outside, making some dresses together because there weren't many dresses for girls, you had to do it yourself mostly with some colored paper, construction paper. It was a lot of fun, you were sharing ideas of how to do it. Some kids were more creative. It was cool.
AK: Your dad was a coach, so how did sports affect your life as a child and adolescent and how was that affecting your social life as well.
JK: It affected me a lot. It basically formed my character because volleyball is a team sport and as any sport it requires to have some basic character to be able to perform, to be able to fight no matter what's the reason. Basically once you're on the field you playing for the ball, fighting for the ball, winning ball. But then it becomes your life and you're fighting for your interests in this life, in a good way of course. You're not hitting anybody; you're not hitting your partners on another team. So you are just fighting to reach some goal in your life.
AK: So again, what difference do you see between athletics when you were a kid in Moldova and athletics here?
JK: I see a big difference. I think its connection of educational approach here and over there. It's a different mentality, people have a different approach. Here sports clubs are more hobbies. When kids are coming if child is overweight, they taking the girl to gymnastics or ballet just to fix this weight situation. In Moldova or Soviet Union, nobody would get the idea to bring an overweight girl to a ballet class, because it was just not acceptable. It's a different approach, first of all. There, kids are going to play sport and they see that they have to win, they have to perform, they have to give some results. Here it's more parents' drive that their children will be playing or doing some sports, and its more hobby, it's more for pleasure. It's not so serious as it was in Soviet Union, and I think that they still have the same approach there. So here coach would never criticize your child seriously, never treat it seriously. Over there it's a job, sports activity was a job.
AK: So, what were you striving for, what was your goal when you were playing sports?
JK: I wanted to be a good athlete, I wanted to achieve something. We had category of sportsmen, we had some kind of achievements in sports. You can be a candidate, we called it candidat mastera sporta and master of sport. We had category one, category two. So through your sport career you achieve, step by step, better and better category. And of course volleyball is a team job so you have to try to get into better team. First it was on the republic level, because it was Moldova Republic. Then you have to try to get on the Soviet Union team, and then perform on an international level. So, it was always some kind of goal, because it was a chance to live a little bit better life. To get out of this equality of the people.
AK: What was your biggest achievement in volleyball?
JK: I was playing for Republic of Moldova team, as a member of the Republic of Moldova team.
AK: Who did you play?
JK: I was playing, how do you call it, passuyushey, how do you call it.
AK: Setter.
JK: Yes, setter. As a setter. My height is not tall enough as is required for volleyball, so best position for me was to be a setter. I was running fast and setting tall girls to hit hard.
AK: Who did you play, like what countries or what other teams did you play?
JK: Normally it was a competition through the Soviet Union, between Soviet Union republics. So, all fifteen republics we played. Again, Moldova is normally not such a tall people like Russia or Ukraine, so we were not achieving some big results as these republics, but we were pretty good. We also performed on international level, but all this international level was only in the frame of the Soviet camp countries, like Romania, Poland, who was next to us. Yeah Romania and Poland were the biggest competitions. I don't think we participated in any other levels. It was only our neighbor countries.
AK: Do you still talk to your former teammates or your former friends from Moldova?
JK: Yes sometimes, sometimes. They are still living there and you know we lost connection, close connection I would say. Our normal conversation is ending up "How's everything, everything's fine. How's people, how's family." And to go somewhere deeper it doesn't have any sense because were so far away from each other. They're living their lives, they have their own troubles, problems, and achievements. Here is different approach so. I don't think it makes sense to go deeper into problems that each of us have. We just say everything is fine, okay good good.
AK: Do they ever ask any interesting questions about America?
JK: Not much, I think everyone knows about what's going on here so it's not a crazy country or something. But sometimes you can hear from people living there, especially now with all this brainwashing from Putin's regime. They think that we are acting this way against Putin because we have a propaganda here, and we not allowed to talk openly or whatever we're writing them, they think that we have to write it because our Facebook and Skype is controlled, and we have to do it. So they kind of whispering to us "it's fine it's fine, we know that you cannot say anything, its fine." It's kind of funny.
AK: What do you think about Putin's regime? How does it affect America, and how is it affecting the Russian people?
JK: It affects a lot. It's kind of sad because living here we kind of see the situation in Russia a little bit outside. I'm not normally watching even American news, I'm watching local American Brooklyn channels just to see what's going on in my city but I'm not much involved in politics, or propaganda because it just doesn't interest me. I'm not watching news, so I cannot say that I'm brainwashed by Americans that Russia is bad or something like that. I just see from outside that whatever we have been living with, not everything is right. We have to look at the problems or situation differently. And people who still continue living there, they looking at the problems differently. So mentally we are already from different camps. So I see that people are relying a lot on the T.Vs, the main channels that work in Russia, and they taking it really seriously and truly that this is reality. They don't want to even bother to go to internet and do some kind of research, and compare and analyze. They're taking it as it was during Soviet Union time, as they said. So they taking it without even analyzing and then they believe whatever they hear on the T.V, and this is kind of sad.
AK: So, we interviewed a Russian student in Binghamton on Wednesday, and she mentioned that, not here friends, not her generation, but the generation above her (parents and grandparents), when they found out she was coming to America they told her “Tell Obama what we think of him." So what do you think they meant by that, what do they think of him?
JK: Yeah, again they are victims of propaganda. My husband, when he travelled five years ago to Moldova, he was actually shocked. I think he still has some kind of homesickness but when he visited last time, he was very disappointed that even close relatives start asking him why did Americans torture Russian kids. Because apparently, it was a big topic on Russian T.V that few American people, few American families adopt Russian children from foster house, and something happened unfortunately to these children. And I think that it's thousands of kids been adopted, but only, let's say, five families screwed up. They didn't do their job properly, unfortunately you cannot control people. Sometimes it's really not good families that these Russian children, or any other children getting in. So, it's a tragedy, but it's tool for propaganda to switch this fact and show to Russian people that "you see how Americans torture Russian kids, on purpose." It's funny for us because this family, if they are idiots and they didn't treat their child properly, it's not because [the kid is] Russian it's just because they are sick for some reason. It's not because it's a Russian child, or Brazilian, or Japanese or something like that, they just sick people, they don't know how to treat kids. But Russian propaganda use it in their own advantage to show Russian people that "Look, look what they did." And relatives of my husband when he visits, they specifically seriously asked him "why do you do this, what's the reason? Why do you torture Russian kids?" And he's like "What kids, what are you talking about?" and they say "Yeah on the Russian TV its so many cases, you cannot now adopt Russian kids. We truly understand this and we're against Americans to adopt Russian kids." My husband was first shocked, and then he started laughing because this is ridiculous. It's grown-up people, people he knows. It's not some idiots, it's people from his family that he knows are nice, kind people. But they're asking really ridiculous questions, and we see that it's because they are victims of this propaganda, it's nothing else. It's not because they really think about it. Another question was "why did you invade Yugoslavia, why did you bomb Yugoslavia? Get out of wherever, some islands. Get out of Poland." And these are people who work hard, they have much more troubles in their lives to discuss than discuss this situation, political situation. And they didn't see my husband for at least five, seven years. And one of the questions that was important that they decided to ask was why Americans are doing something. I think its poor brainwashing. People are so preoccupied with these ideas that the T.V is sending them, that they cannot even hold it. This is one of the first questions they ask their relative after not seeing them for five, seven years.
AK: When you came to America, did you have anything like that happen to you here? Did people have any funny questions or biases towards to you because you were Russian, or you spoke Russian, and had a Russian accent?
JK: No, I was actually surprised that Americans are very friendly people, very open people. I think especially people from Latin America, all this mix that United States has with nationality and races, it's kind of making this cute combination and most of these people are immigrants so they kind of treat us very well. Surprisingly well for us because our language was very bad. I remember situations on the street when you tried to get somewhere and you're trying to ask on your broken English how to get somewhere. And when you hear these instructions, directions where to go and you're confused because you don't understand anything, people simply walk you towards some direction so you can find your own path. For me it was big surprise because in Soviet Union we were not tolerant at all to some accents or some bad Russian language. So it was not accepted. We would probably turn around, or laugh out loud on the level that this human being is talking.
AK: When you first moved to the United States, what were your biggest worries and concerns? What was the hardest part?
JK: Language of course. You feel yourself like a dog, that understands with smart eyes, understands what's going on but cannot say anything. It was one of the scariest parts; that you trying to survive, you're trying to make money, but you simply cannot talk. So it was very depressing and hardest point. But then once I started talking, even in my bad language, I understand that people are willing to listen to you. They see that you can do something, that you are not a bad person that you are cooperating, and Americans will work with you no matter how bad your language is.
AK: What about economically when you first moved to the United States?
JK: I think that it was a blessing for me especially, because when we came to the United States, simply the welfare that I was getting from the government, it was a much better financial situation than I was living in Moldova. Because I was a student, and then I got married, I didn't work so I depended on my husband, and my husband was making money but it was basic needs. We were able to save some money on a car and this and this, but here I start living my own life, trying to bring my own money to family. I was surprised that I was getting from the government every month Food Stamps that allowed me to eat very well and some cash amount. It was not covering my rent, but still it was a big help toward my life. I cannot say that I feel bad economically, it was a good help for me to start my American life, to go to school and everything.
AK: Looking back now, what was your greatest accomplishment in America?
JK: I'm still working on my accomplishments, and I think that that's why I love America. It never stops, no matter what age you are, what is your social status, or anything like this. You can always achieve something, whatever you're dreaming of. I'm talking about achieving some goals financially, and just whatever your dreams are. Let's say if you, you know, I'm still playing volleyball and I'm enjoying this, so I have to opportunity to play after my business hours. It's also small achievements because I'm doing stuff that I like to do. I'm still working on my professional level, I have a plan to graduate my Master's degree. I'm not afraid, in Russia I'd probably be puzzles to go to school when I'm forty. Here I know that no matter what is my age, I still can do it online, I still can accomplish, it is not a big deal. So I like it, I see my future full of plans, full of achievements. I think it's a lot of possibilities. You can take a lot of classes, I'm planning one day to improve my English, I'm still thinking when my children grow up and I don't have to spend money on them, for their education, maybe one day I will take some tutor that can instruct me and teach me to speak English better. Maybe some other language. So it's a lot of things that you can improve yourself, and I like it.
AK: So you spoke about getting your Master's, what do you expect to get from getting a Master's degree and where do you want to be in twenty years let's say?
JK: I'm getting older so I'm hoping to maybe get some job that will pay me even more, but have more benefits toward my pension. Maybe less working hours, or something flexible. It's hard to say, I'm very happy right now so I can't complain. That's why I'm probably not rushing to graduate my Master's degree. But I think that it will give me more potential to find something better, just simply. It's just an additional skill that I can put on the table, if I need it.
AK: This is a hard question; how do you identify culturally? Would you say you are American, Russian, Moldovan, Transnistrian, or some combination? What would you tell people if they asked you?
JK: It is hard to identify. Definitely I'm Russian-American, so I'm American with Russian background. I would not even identify myself as Moldavian, maybe Soviet Union because it was still time that it was Soviet Union in affect and it was a part of everything. Even though we were living in Moldova, it was more pro-Russian than Moldavian. It's a combination, it's definitely not American yet, it's definitely not Russian already, but it's some kind of Russian-American heritage.
AK: Something in between.
JK: Something in between, that's right.
AK: How do you define your culture? Is it by music, by food, by language, by religion, by politics?
JK: Mostly by background, Soviet Union background. Because it was major time that I lived there, so food and culture and education mostly affected me when I was a child during the Soviet Union time. There was no religion, I would say almost no religion at all, so I would say it's mostly by the place that I was living, the Soviet Union.
AK: You are from Moldova, but also from Transnistria, Pridnestrovie, so how would you say that affected your life growing up and your culture? What was the difference?
JK: That's very interesting also because when Transnistria become as a new republic in 1992, we truly believed that it happened for a reason and it's a good reason for all people that living there. Again, it was tool of propaganda. We were told that we had the right to create our own republic, our own country, and I believed in this 100%. I was a strong believer in this, and I didn't understand Moldavian government, why they acted so aggressively by entering with weapons and bombing people, innocent people. I was against this, and I was a truly pro-Transnistrian citizen. But when we immigrated here, and I start looking at-- first of all I started living here differently. I started learning American language, American culture. I saw tolerance to other people, I saw big part of America by going toward the rules and traditions. All of a sudden it hit me that stuff that happened in Transnistria is not right. Its only, in my opinion, it was only done because someone on the government level decided to do this. They basically brainwashed people and guide them toward this craziness. And people who live there they still suffer from this decision, most of them not realizing that it was a bad decision. But they are separatists and they now living very separate lives from entire world because nobody announced them as a country. They still kind of isolated from entire world, it's just crazy. It's not right and its one of the, unfortunately, Russian, I think in my opinion, it's one of the Russian government decisions.
AK: Why do you think people wanted to separate from Moldova? Was the culture different, what was it?
JK: No, it was an idea that someone gave us in this time, and it's the same kind of idea happening in Crimea and Abkhazia. In Soviet Union time what happened, students after graduating from the colleges, they were sent to different republics, normally in most poorest economically republics basically to build up economy of these republics. Russia, central of Russia, was always active. But Moldova, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, traditionally were not very educated countries because like Moldova is a very agricultural country, so people were normally farmers. All students after college were sent to these republics. My mom, for example, is very bright example of this situation. She grew up in Russia, she is a Russian citizen, and she spoke only Russian language after graduating from her chemical university. She was sent to Moldova, first to Azerbaijan but she ended up in Moldova working as a chemical engineer in one of the plants that the Soviet Union time on purpose built in this republic. Then all republics were exchanging materials. For example, Moldova nothing to do with chemistry in Moldova, but it was convenient big places and locations and they have to employ people so they were building these huge plants to create labor and everything. So my mom ended up in Moldova. Moldova of course, their language was Moldovan or Romanian because culturally wise they used to be part of Romania long time ago. But in Soviet Union time everything was so centralized and so coming from Russia, majority of people on the government level and big manufacturing level were speaking only Russian. My mom was very comfortably feeling there, and all her life after she moved to Moldova, it was the 70's until the 90's, she was speaking only Russian. She was very successful; whatever she achieved everything was fine. When the Soviet Union started falling apart, each republic of course started announcing their independence because Moldovan people all of a sudden feel their culture because of glasnost and democracy, they said "hey we're not Russian, we're Moldovan. We want to speak our language!" They are dominant there, so it is normal that Moldovans want to speak their language. They announced that all people who are working in certain people, they have to speak Moldavian language too, which is normal. In United States we have the same thing. If you want to work somewhere, you have to first of all speak English. You can also speak Spanish or something, but if you are achieving something and working you have to speak English. So now it sounds to be very normal, but when I was in Moldova in '92 for my mom and all of us it was very shocking because all of a sudden we had to start learning Moldavian. It just historically happened, it's not the fault of Moldavian people or anyone else. If you want to continue to live in this country, you have to learn Moldavian language. But all of a sudden, somebody feel this situation and the propaganda started spreading around these people saying "hey you're Russian, you have to speak Russian. Why are they pushing you to learn Moldavian? It's not good. You have to protest this. You work hard here, you have to be able to speak your language. You don't need Moldavian language." And of course these people, like my mom and family, they feel very comfortable with this idea because it eliminates the problem to learn another language when you're forty and after forty of course it's not easy. That's why my parents, as well as many other families, supported this idea to create this kind of republic. Yes we created it and we are all of a sudden we announced to Moldova that we're not part of Moldova anymore, we want our own state. It sounds funny right now, but for us with all this propaganda and all these thoughts that we were receiving from Russia, plus Russia give us citizenship immediately of Russia, and also the possibility to travel to Russia without any visa. People who retired were getting extra cash toward their pension. Of course it was very convenient for us, economically wise and idea wise because it eliminated the problem to learn another language. Now living here in the United States I realized that it was kind of a utopia, it was unpleasant and not really comfortable idea but I came to United States and I have no idea, I have never had the idea to pronounce here on Brighton Breach independence of United States. I understand that if I want to perform here, I have to learn language and tradition. It would never come to my mind to protest here on Brighton Beach and say "hey I'm Russian I'm proud to be Russian and only Russian." It's just funny, it's very childish. But I guess because those times somebody supported us on a government level from Russia, we felt support and financially wise we just went to this idea, which was not right apparently.
AK: Would you ever like to go back to Moldova to visit?
JK: Maybe, maybe but it's quite far away. I see that my friends, we have different mentality level. It's also a lot of places in the world that I never visit before. So it's not my destination in my dreams or something like that. I guess one day I will be there, I guess. But it's not my dream destination. IN fifteen years, I've never visited and I cannot say that it's on my travel list.
AK: Do you feel a connection to your birthplace, or do you feel that you have a duty to go back?
JK: I have no duty to come back, my mom is living with me here in the United States. My father is there but he can travel, we talk on Skype, he has his own family, thank god everything is fine. So, I would rather invite him to visit me, than to go there. Especially I have two kids so I cannot go myself, it's kind of complicated. Definitely no duty there, and I have no other connection to go there. With technology, when you can always reach your friends and family over Skype and talk to them, it's good enough for me at least.
AK: Earlier you mentioned religion and how there was no religion in the Soviet Union, so how did you transition from this atheist place to America, which has so many religions and cultures? What does religion mean to you, and how do you identify?
JK: I also grew up so I became a more mature person, but in the 1990's when the Soviet Union fall apart I already got the feeling that I should belong somewhere, I should belong to some kind of idea. Communism fell apart for me so it was not very desirable dream to build communism. But I understood that person has to have some kind of frame and some kind of rules, but some kind of interest in this life to behave in. I think religion in certain ways, not strict one, but something kind of fusion because I belong to Jewish roots and some Russian Christian, so it's hard for me to identify myself that I'm Jewish or I'm Christian. I feel that I cannot say that whatever Jewish people saying is against Christian, or that Christian is in conflict with Jewish principles in religion. So I'm trying to create some kind of fusion, especially here in Brooklyn it's a lot of Jewish organizations and Jewish centers that I kind of like. I like their idea, again I'm against to go deeply into religion because it's very hard to be strictly religious in this crazy society, because you have to do a lot of things. I don't think anybody needs this kind of strict, unless you have some kind of inside call that you have to be this way. But I think it's some kind of mixture of everything, whatever you feel comfortable with, whatever giving you some peace. Whatever you want to do, I think it's great. That's why I love the United States, nobody criticizes anybody. If you're Jewish and want to go to the Synagogue everybody would respect whatever you do. If you're going to Russian Orthodox Church, it's also good. I'm going sometimes to both. I cannot see anything wrong about this. I mean it's great, this is typical United States. This is why I love about United States.
AK: Okay my last question, also kind of a hard one. Do you have any regrets, or do you think that if you could go back, you would do something differently in your life and in moving to the States and how you live here?
JK: So far, I cannot see anything I did wrong or I would do differently. Again I guess it's coming with some kind of maturity or longer time to look back. I'm pretty happy with my life. I guess if I would immigrate early, it would give me even more opportunities. Probably my transitional period from Soviet Union mentality to American mentality would've been much quicker and faster. But I'm very happy, I cannot say that I have any inside conflicts or something. I think I have some harmony in my soul in my life.
AK: Okay, thank you so much!
JK: You're welcome.
(End of Interview)
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Julia Kiosse was the daughter of a Russian native and a native Moldovan. She immigrated to the United States in 1998 with her daughter, but without her husband as he could not get the proper documents in time. She lived in a small apartment in Brooklyn for one year before she moved back to Moldova to be with her husband. She moved with her family to the United States in 2000 and settled in Brooklyn.
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<span>Aynur de Rouen, Ph.D.</span><br /><span>Heather DeHaan, Ph.D., Associate Professor in History</span>
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The Ukrainian Oral History project consists of a collection of undergraduate student interviews with immigrants from East Central Europe, particularly the lands of what is now Ukraine. Four interviews took place in New York City and record the memories of Jewish immigrants. A few interviews testify to specifically Russian identity and experiences, while the rest of the collection is comprised of interviews with members of Binghamton’s Ukrainian immigrant community.
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<a href="https://www.binghamton.edu/libraries/about/collections/oral-histories/index.html#sustainablecommunities">Sustainable Communities Oral History Collection</a>
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Jake Sperber and Zach Kolesnik
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Sveltana Kolesnik
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Svetlana Kolesnik is an immigrant from Berdichev, Ukraine. She dealt with persecution growing up due to her religion and felt the only way to feel free was to leave her home country. She immigrated to the United States in 1989 with her husband. She came to the United States in hope to provide her children a better life and a Jewish education. She now lives in New City, New York where where she is active in the Jewish community with her husband and three children.
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58:51 minutes
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2016-03-31
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Kolesnik, Svetlana.--Interviews; Ukrainians--United States; Diaspora, Soviet Union—History; Russian; Jews; Migrations; Persecution; Communism and culture--Soviet Union; Ethnic identity; Manors and customs; City and town life--New York (State)--New York
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Interviews; Ukrainians; Ukrainian diaspora; Immigrants; Soviet Union; Jews
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Ukrainian Oral History Project</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Interview with: Svetlana Kolesnik</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Interviewed by: Jake Sperber and Zach Kolesnik</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Transcriber: Jake Sperber and Zach Kolesnik</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Date of interview: 31 March 2016 at 02:40 pm</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Interview Setting: 31 Beaumont Drive New City, New York</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">(Start of Interview)</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Zach Kolesnik: Ok so we’ll be conducting this interview. My name is Zach Kolesnik. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Jake Sperber: And I am Jake Sperber. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Svetlana Kolesnik: And my name is Svetlana Kolesnik. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And we are doing, conducting this interview in New City, New York. It is 2:40 PM right now and we will start the interview. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And it is Thursday March 31st, 2016. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: All right. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So you, uh, immigrated in 1989, and you were born in 1960. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, I was born in, in 1963. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So, you spent 26 years under the USSR, I guess umbrella. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Correct. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Would you say like, what was the daily schedule for your life as a kid?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: As a kid we have school six times a week from Monday-Saturday from 8:30-2:15. And it’s every morning I would walk to school—there is no transportation, there is no buses. You have to walk to school, no matter where you live. So usually there is few schools in town and your parents, when you’re seven years old, sign you to schools nearby and you walk. My husband lived far away but we went to the same school, but school that we went to was one of the best schools in town so there was no like, school bus. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So there was no school bus, right. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: There was public transportation, but again public transportation is not as prompt as here, for example, you take a train here and wait five minutes and the train is coming. There it can usually be a half hour, so you usually walk to places no matter what, sunny day, snowy day, rainy day—and school never closed, we always had school. No matter how many inches of snow we had, we always had school and everybody walked. And after school, um, I had activities, I went to the school of music, so three times a week I went to different school after regular school. And eh, you can play sports or other activities, and after you went to that school you came home and did homework. What school offers you, like if you have small kids, they have after-school programs for free, and I usually stayed in this program because both of my parents would work, and I stay until 5 o'clock and after that my mother or my sister would come pick me up and bring me home. We also had a lot of variety of sports and different activities that you can do after school in a different location. If you were not busy, there was always something to do after school. And also what we have different in the Ukraine, where I grew up, uh, we had like, after school I used to come home and play with my friends outside. And it was always, unless it was heavy rain, I would always go outside and play even if it was just for a half hour or something, me and my friends would go together and we would play some games. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did you have uh, traditions that you would do as a kid? Like I guess we have Halloween and kids—I don't know, what were some of the things that— [pause] That would not happen at all? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: We did not have traditions as a kid, but as a country we had a tradition to go on the parade, and it was mandatory so I can't say that this was tradition. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Wait, when was the parade? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Parade was twice a year, parade was on May 1st and November 7th. On November 7th, this is when the great Revolution happened in 1917, and since that every year it’s mandatory, if you're in school or even in college and if you work, you have to go to the parade. And you walk in front of your, I don't know, local government people. But I don't know if it counts as tradition, and what usually would happen after that is my family would get together and stay together and just have a nice dinner together. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And you would do that two times a year? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It was two times a year where we, you know, and also big holiday in Russia is New Year. We didn't celebrate any other holidays, we didn't celebrate any Christmas or Passover or Rosh Hashanah, we didn't—only New Year we celebrate. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So you’re saying that in the—religion wasn't a thing? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Oh, because I have read that Eastern Orthodoxy was big in—</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, no. It was not big deal, I mean some people celebrate, but people always were afraid to go to church because they could lose their job. So if you go to church, or go to synagogue, or mosques, there is no guarantee that the government won't know about this because as a country it was, it was an atheistic country, you know atheist. Even if you believed in God you didn't say, and if you practiced this or religion even in your family, nobody else can know about it because if people find out you can go to jail. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So you practiced no religion whatsoever outside the house? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, even in the house it was very quiet, like my parents did not want to know that my neighbor would know that we, we didn't have like any Passover dinner. We never had Passover. I mean we always had matzos but they were always hidden in the hidden place that nobody could find them like in the closets. Except when we ate them during Passover, but we never had dinner. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So you guys wouldn't go to synagogue or church at all? Were there synagogues and churches around you? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, there were synagogues and churches around, and uh, first time in my life that I went to synagogue, uh, actually I went to synagogue in Russia twice. Once when my grandma died, and I went to synagogue to bury her and carry out the dues of the Jewish religion. And second time I went to Moscow before we left Russia and we had already gotten permission from the Russian government to leave country. When we went to go buy ticket to leave the country, we went to synagogue a second time.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Uh, I just have a question, for the children in Russia are there very high expectations? Do their parents have very high expectations for them? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, parents have very high expectations in school, and excel in after school activities like music and sports. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes absolutely, and also every parent wants their child to succeed. And some kids are gifted and some kids are not so gifted but parents try to do as much as they can to kids this way they have better opportunity to find better job and make a better life. This is why a lot of kids go to college, and it's hard for you. There is also option, especially for boy—in Russia if you're a boy it’s mandatory, if you’re 18 years old, to go to the army unless you’re in college. If you're not accepted to college you go to army, and the army in Russia is a nightmare so you do not want to be in the army no matter what. Especially for boys. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Were any of your family members in the army? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: My family, my cousin went to the army because he did not go to college so he went to the army. Like my husband was in the army for three months but he already graduated from college and during the college years he had like a special subject, military science, and he went as an officer. So it wasn't as bad and I mean my husband is very physically fit so it wasn't hard, it was hard for him but not as hard as it is for the rest of the people. So this is why parents spend a lot of time, they want kids and they don't their kids to have to go to the army. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Ok, so how is it like when you were immigrating to the United States? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: How I immigrated to the United States? </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, how was the process like? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: The process in Russia was, uh, actually you have to apply for, and you apply to Russian/Ukraine government—Soviet Union government. You apply, saying what you want to do, “I want to leave this country and I want to give up my citizenship.” In order for me to give up my citizenship there is a few things that have to be done. First of all, if you have parents who are alive, they have to sign a paper saying that they are allowing you to leave the country. Because if one parent, even if you’re fifty years old it doesn't matter—if you have a living parent they have to sign the papers saying they allow you to leave country. Second of all, you have to pay a lot of money, because my husband and I went to college and back in Russia you didn't pay for college, college was for free, if you were a good student you didn't pay. So we have to pay a lot of money in order for us to leave country. But even after you pay this money it does not give you guarantee that Russian government will let you leave country so there is also always possibility that they will not, Russian government will not let you stay in country, I mean let you leave country because, and this is a problem because you don't have a job and nobody is going to hire you if you already have applied to leave the country, but we were lucky and in 1989 a lot of people left, and also a lot in Russia is about connections and we were lucky that the person who was in charge of this was my neighbor. The guy who let people leave the country lived in our small town, so he help us out and we waited for a few months.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did you know that you wanted to leave Russia before 1989 though? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah but we couldn't, we couldn't because in 1988 they let first group of people leave country. Before you couldn't; before if you wanted to leave Russia you couldn't even apply, they wouldn't let anybody out of the country. The first immigration happened in 1972, from 1972-1974 where a few families were lucky to leave country and move to Israel or the United States. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Wait, you just said they were lucky? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, because if you apply and they close borders, you stuck in Russia with no job, with no money, with nothing. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So, it sounds like you aren't too fond of Russia. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I wasn't fond in Russia? </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Like, you don't, like, sound like you speak too highly of Russia. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Listen, I can't say that I, it was, we grew up in country and we weren't allowed to go to different country. If you were to say, "You know what, I am going to go live in Australia for 6 months," then there is a process, you can go and try to apply for visa, and you either like or don't like it and you can come back. In Russia there is nothing like this. First of all in Russia there was only two Russian channels on TV, there was one in Russian and one in Ukrainian, because I lived in Ukraine, and we would listen morning to night to this Russia propaganda. You can't go to different country, you just can't buy ticket and go to different country, it was a whole process. But when we left in 1989, we applied and we wait for a few months, and after that you wait for 3 months or 4 months, and there was a problem to buy ticket too. And to get from Russia to buy ticket is also a process—I mean, I don't think it is easy for you to understand that we travel all the way to Moscow to stay, every morning, 6 o'clock in the morning my husband and I went to place to check out and we stay in a line and every day they say, "Okay we are going to sell a hundred tickets." For three weeks we went to this place until we got to the place where we could buy tickets ’cause there was limited amount of tickets, there was a lot of people and it just, everything was complicated. So we got permission and we also got permission to travel to Vienna, we got a visa from Vienna and we also went through, at that time it was Czechoslovakia, and that's it. You know, first of all when you leave Russia you aren't allowed to take money. The amount of money you're allowed to take is $146 per person. Even if you have more money you can't take this money with you, so you buy jewelry at home. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Together $146, or each person can take $146? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Each person can take $146, so you go with this money, you exchange your Russian Rubles, you're allowed to take $146. You can take two bags of clothes or whatever and you start your life in a different country; if you’re young it really doesn't matter, you can start life in any new country. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So, did you just leave whatever you had behind at your parent's house? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, we left whatever we had.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You just left all the valuables? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, I mean we took, like, we took everything: clothes, anything, whatever you, we could fit. We took even pan, I mean we took plates; we took silverware, because I had no money to buy different things in the different country. I lived, before I came to America for three months I lived in a different country so I had no money to go to the store and buy plates. So I had to bring my plates, my silverware, my cup, blankets, everything, pillow, whatever you can. We were very limited in everything, but this is how it was to live. And first we went to Austria, to Vienna, and first we stayed there. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: This is when you were immigrating? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, we took the train to Vienna. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Oh you did not even fly. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, no we came to Vienna, HIYAS, its an organization with the Israeli and American government, and they met us in Vienna and they made arrangements for us to stay in a hotel and uh, we went to this hotel where we stayed for two or three weeks. Then we went to the American Embassy and we asked to be a legal refugee of the country. And they said to us, “In order for us to process your paper you have to move to a different country, you have to move to Italy and you have to wait until we’ll give you permission to come to live in America.” So we took a train to live in Italy and we stayed in Italy for two months. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did you work? How did you communicate with people? You only knew Ukrainian and Russian. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, we did not speak English or Italian and we did not speak any German, but luckily my husband likes languages so he learned Italian and he got a job and they paid him $1 an hour and he built parks. You know like from town to town, like spring break usually here in Rockland County, people come and play and go to the circus. So because my husband is big and strong, they hire him to build this, so he travel for, like he used to come to a town and help guide this and put it together, and guys would stay in this place for one week and then move to a different town and build another, so for us it was kind of income. And he also went on the field to collect grape. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So it was very difficult to move from Russia before 1989--.</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I am telling you it is not easy to move now also. It’s just people have a little bit more money so they people move for money in Russia. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Do you know a lot of people who have successfully moved from Russia? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Sure. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Absolutely, all my friends, a lot of my friends. First of all when we moved to Russia, what happened, we met a lot of—you know, when you in circumstances like this, you don't speak any language, you are alone, you meet people that become friends for all life. And people, the people that we met in Austria and in Italy, we still keep in touch with and still in a good relationship with, and I would say most of them become very successful and build families, and raise kids, and now they have grandchildren so it worked out.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did most people only try to immigrate to the United States? Was the United States your only option or did you try immigrating to, for instance Israel or another country.</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: In order for you to leave Russia, unless you have a relative or a first cousin. Only if you have a first cousin in America and invites you to go to live with him in America, you can do it. (Like Lennie Levine) The rest of the people had Israeli visa, the process was if you have Israeli visa you go directly to Russian government and say, “I want to live in Israel because I am Jewish,” or if you are not Jewish, if you are a Christian you say you want to live in a different country, but they also took Israeli visas saying you want to live in Israel. But when you come to Vienna, Austria, you can go to the Israeli consulate and say that you would like to try to live in a different country and they had no problem with whatever you wanted to do. What they did was basically help Russian people just to leave country, and this was the only one exit that would let you leave the Soviet Union if you have an Israeli visa. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It was Vienna? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, no it was an Israeli visa but the reason why we went to Vienna, because Israel made arrangements with Vienna that Russian people are going to come to this country and they were going to help them out. You couldn't go to different country, you would have to go through this path. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And you had a first cousin that was in the United States? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, we did not have first cousin in the United States, we had Israeli visa. And from when we lived in Italy, we were looking for different possibilities, and one of the possibility was to go to Australia, but in order to go to Australia you have to pay $500 and you have to be approved by Australian government, and you have to have $500 and somebody that would guarantee when you come to Australia they’re going to help you out. We didn't have $500, but they really like us because my husband and I both graduated from college. We were young, we were twenty years old, so they offered us to go to this country, but because we didn't have money we decided we are going to stay in Italy and move to the United States.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Do you think that, um, wait I just want to shift the discussion, do you think that you raised your kids differently than you were raised in Russia? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Sure I raised my kids differently than I was raised. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: What are some of the differences from like how a kid is raised in Russia and how a kid is raised in America?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: My parents did not have to remind me that I have to put garbage outside. I have to remind my kids every Wednesday and every Saturday, you know what it's your time to do something in the house. Because in Russia it is different, kids do much more in the house to help parents. As a child, during the summer when I did not have school I went to market to buy fresh fruits and vegetables to bring home to save my mother a little bit of time so she doesn't have to do this. She used to do this every day all year round, before she went to work she would go to the market to buy stuff, so during the summer I would help her out. I would go with Mother to the market and get the stuff and bring it home so I could help her out. I, also what was a difference, like during the summer time, where we live, it was a nice river and all young people hung out at the beach, so I knew every day at 12:30 I would have to go and prepare lunch for my parents, because my parents had lunch from 1-2 and they came for lunch home almost every day. So as a kid I know I would have to prepare lunch for them. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: There was no sleepaway camps? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: There was sleepaway camps. I went to sleepaway camp twice and the first time I went with my older sister and the second I went by myself and I like it. But also not every child could go, you have to pay for sleepaway camp and it's expensive so not every child could afford it.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Was it in Ukraine? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, yeah it was in Ukraine, and the sleepaway camp was a little bit different then it is here. Here you have a choice, if you want to go to this camp you go to this camp. In Russia you go to sleepaway camp at a base where your parents work. If your parents work on the plant and this plant has sleepaway camp, you don't have a choice of where you go to sleepaway camp. So where my parents worked, sleepaway camp was far away so I did not want to go, but I went twice or three times. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Uh, are you, like, happy that you didn't live in Russia—you lived in—would it have been much harder to live in Russia than the Ukraine? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Uh, Russia and the Ukraine, I think it was easier to live in the Ukraine than in Russia because, first of all it is easier because Ukraine is more like fruits and vegetables you can buy on the market; in Russia there is limitation. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Oh, like rationing. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Right and the quality of the product, you know what you can afford. Life in the Ukraine at that time, where I grew up, I think was better than in Russia, and it was, it was not like supermarkets, it was like small stores where you go in and buy stuff, but difference between Russia and America is there wasn't a lot of variety. If you go to stores there was two or three kinds of bread, and if you want to have fresh bread you would have to go at 6 o'clock in the morning, if you come at 11 then there is no bread.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Is that in the Ukraine? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah and the same in Russia, it's the same in Russia. The difference in Russia is that there is few big cities like Moscow or Leningrad, so in those cities you can go to store, maybe you can buy a little bit more in a government store because back in Russia or Ukraine everything belonged to the government, we did not have supermarkets that belonged to a private person. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Um to go back to schooling, how was—how was it like, did you go to—you lived in Ukraine, so did you go to a Ukraine school or did you go to a Russian where they taught the first language as Russian or Ukrainian? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Ok, in the city that I lived it was two choices—I grew up in Berdychiv, Ukraine. You can go to Russian school or you can go to Ukrainian school, but like before war, it was also Polish school because a lot of Polish people lived in Ukraine too, it's close to Poland. But when I went to school it was either Russian school or Ukrainian school. I went to Russian school. But from 2nd grade I had second language as Ukrainian, but all subject were taught in Russian. Where you can go to a Ukrainian school also and all subject would be taught in Ukrainian and you have Russian as a second language. The reason why my parents sent me to a Russian school is because first of all, we spoke Russian at home, and second of all there were more chances for me to go to college to Russia, for example, because my first language was Russian. And again it was a limit on how many people can go to college, and as a Jew it was not easy to get to college even if you had all "A" marks.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You would have to put it down on your transcript? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes on my transcript, and then when you go with your passport it is written on it that I am a Jew. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Was it very prejudiced?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Even in the Ukraine also? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes it was in Russia, Ukraine it was everywhere. So if you go to college and they said they can take 100 kids, but we only allowed to take 3% Jew, so you have to be smarter than all Jewish kids in order for you to get to this college because they can only take 3 people. And also in Russia you can't apply to 25 schools like you apply here, here you apply to college there is no limit, you can apply to every SUNY school or any school. There is no limit on how many applications you send, it is just how much money you want to spend on the application. In Russia, you can only apply to one school and if you're not accepted you have to wait another year and you have to apply again. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So those kids go to the army? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: For boys you go to army, for girls you work somewhere. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Wow, to go on top of that as well—as girls, if you did not get accepted into schools would you have to go to the army? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, as girl I don't have to. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Were there girls that went to the army? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No girls went to the army? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, no girls don't go to the army but you can work in the army if you want. Like if you want you can work in the kitchen, or if you really want maybe you can apply to be in the army but I know nobody, it was unheard of. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Have you, um, since you left in 1989, have you returned? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, how was going back for the first time? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: The first time I took all my kids to the town where I grow up, we spend like one day there and second time I went with Zachary and we went to Russia, we went to Moscow, we went to Leningrad, and Berdychiv, and I think that we had a great time, he had a little bit of a taste of Russia and a little bit of a taste of Ukraine, and we traveled, we took public transportation everywhere so for him, so I think that it was good for him. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Now so I know you left legally from Russia, but if you were a person that maybe escaped would you go back still today? Would you ever think about returning? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, even now I would not want to go to Russia. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Would they like, try to capture you though, if you were illegal?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: They might. Yeah. They might. I mean I left as legal, but even if I go back to Russia, first of all I always need a visa. If I want to go to this country I have to apply for visa. And second of all, you know, you never know what happens, it is not a stable country so I would not take a chance. Especially now I will not go. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: But since you're legal you can take your kids. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, my kids can go, but we don't plan on going now. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Also, now do you want to segue again, I guess? </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Sure. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Do you want to elaborate on the culture? In one of our classes we were talking about the differences between the US and Russia and, uh like, just the differences between Russian lifestyle and values and American values. Like for instance, one kid in our class brought up that, like, his drink a lot, and like, I do not know if that's a thing. He is Russian. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It is not that they drink a lot, but it is part of the Russian culture. Where like, if there was a holiday, sometimes people drink lots. Not that you have to but they drink, and another thing, why people drink a lot is because back in Russia life is so bad. So it helps you get over all the bad things that have happened. But it's not like mandatory, it’s not like all Russian people drink. This is not true. Some people, there is a lot of alcoholics, yes, but again, it is happening maybe more than in America. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: What about, like, Russian values—like, America, I know we are big on, like, sports and music and entertainment, is that prevalent in Russia? I know you guys love hockey. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, when I grew up it was different because all sports that you play, you play for free, you don't pay for it but if you talented, you talented, you can play sports. If you're not talented there is no way, even if you enjoy this sport nobody is going to spend time with you. So you’re out, you can do this for yourself, like here I know my Zachary and all my kids play basketball, and maybe they were not the best at this, but you know they play anyway. You go and you have fun, you enjoy, you don't have to be the best, you can just enjoy this game. In Russia competition is so bad that you have to be number one. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So competition is a big part of Russian lifestyle? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Absolutely. It's like saying do it no matter what you have to do. But people also like movies, they go a lot out, they like movies, they like traveling, they give kids good educations. And I sense that also in Russia people travel a lot, especially now. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You mean like travel throughout the country, I know people aren't allowed to leave the country. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, they travel around the country a lot, like my parents used to take me like every year to somewhere in the Ukraine. Just go to mountains resort or somewhere, just to see different areas. Also different in Russia is the difference between Ukrainian Russian kids and American kids. As a kid I would have to work on the field. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: On the farm?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: On the farm, like I grew up in a town so we didn't have any farm, but they used to pick us up on buses, drive a half hour to the farm and you would do whatever is asked of you, you would pick potatoes, pick carrots. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Who were you working for? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: The government, it is the same in the college. You go to college mandatory in the fall. You go and then, on your free time you pick up potatoes, you pick up carrots. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Wait, this is on your free time? Like when you were away from school? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, so like, you have break, but we don't have break, you have to go and work on the farm. It is not only when you were a kid, when I graduated from university and I got a job also in a different town, even I had like Master in Science and I would still have to go and work for the field. So it did not matter what position you had, you had to go and work on the field. And I remember once we went to pick up carrot, and all day you go and you take those stupid carrot, and I close my eyes and the only dream I had was going to the field and picking up those carrots and I hated it, and potato also not easy because potato is small and you have to go and put it in the bucket, and then you have to go somewhere with the bucket and it’s very heavy. Also, in Russia they count how much buckets of potato you get. It is not like you are going for fun, you are going to get the most potato. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So, they even make that competition? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It is not competition, but you have to bring, for example, 100 buckets of potatoes a day. So you go and you work as a slave because you have to do it. As a kid can you imagine having to work in the garden? This was different, this was mandatory, and for a lot of kids it was normal but I grew up in a town, for kids that grew up in the village the mandatory work was all summer to help parents on the field.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did they get paid? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No. As a kid, you never pay your kid. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Do you think that this still goes on today? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I am not sure, I sense that I have no idea. I do not know if this happens today. I am sure that kids help parents now too. But it depends on the family. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Have you been back to the Ukraine? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, I went with Zachary once, we stayed for three days in Moscow also, and three days in St. Petersburg, and two in the town where I grew up. In the summer, we went to the river where there was a beautiful beach and we took a swim. It was nice, there probably was all the people at the beach stare at Zachary because he is American. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: How do they know? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Because you can see. You can see. But when we went places I would ask people directions and he would stay far away. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Do they not like Americans? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I would say that they do not like Americans. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Why not? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You have to ask Russian people.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Why do you think? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Because part of the Russian culture and the way that Russian propaganda works they say that Russia is the best. We have the best cars, the best people, the best product. They do not like when somebody better than they are so even if they have nothing they still see themselves as the best. But Russia also very rich. Like there are many museums and concerts where my parents would take me to. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: What was it like growing up in a time like the Cold War for you? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I was a small kid. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did you not like the United States? Because I can imagine that Russia would try to use propaganda to turn you against us. </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It is also from your family, like my parents would never talk about this, but I knew that they were not a big fan of Russian government. The way how sometimes they would talk about Russian government, but they were afraid to say the truth to me, so you go to school and keep your mouth shut. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And what would they say in school? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: They would say that Russia is the best country in the world. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So, how did you not buy into that? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Because it—also, back in Russia there was a program on the radio that was illegal, it was called </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">Voice of America</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400;">. It was in Russian language. Russian government did not like people to listen, but my father would listen to this every morning. He used to wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning and for a half hour just to listen very quietly, because he does not want any neighbors to know that he listen to this radio station. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: What was it? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It was </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">Voice of America</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400;">, voice from United States. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Wait so it was at 3:30 in the morning for a half hour every day? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, almost everyday. But you don't hear a good connection because Russian government would try to put something to block it. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: What would they talk about on the radio show? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: On the radio show, for example, when the President of Russia died, Leonid Brezhnev, in 1980, my father woke up and told me in the morning that Brezhnev died. I say listen to Russian TV, he is still alive. And he said no I listened to </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">Voice of America</span></i><span style="font-weight: 400;"> and they said that he died yesterday. They said the truth about Russia, they said the truth about America and some people believe in this more, some people believe in this less. Some people want to build life in Russia, I have relatives in Russia who still live in Ukraine and they still think that this is the best country and they will never ever leave this country and they have nothing. And it is not only financially, forget about financially, because as poor as they are in Russia not everybody is poor, they have a lot of rich people now. But they had no values, they never go to synagogue, they are afraid to practiced Judaism, they did not raise kids to be Jewish, but they do not care, they just want to live in this country. Not everybody is ready for change, for us, my husband and I, it was easy, we were young and we had no kids. For people who are a little bit older, you have to understand they already built life in Russia, they already achieved something, they have good job, they have good position, they have maybe an apartment, they have kids—when you go to a different country it is not easy. You do not speak the language, so how are you going to find a job? Who wants to hire you if you do not have any experience in America? You can be genius but you have to explain to people that you know this and that you can work better than somebody else. So it was not easy to start life in a different country but if you have this, if you want to achieve this and you stick to this you can achieve it no matter what country you go to and what you do. If you go to college and you say maybe this is not the best college or maybe this is not the best environment but I want to be an accountant or I want to be an electrician if you stick to a goal you can achieve it no matter where you are. The same comes from people in different countries, they come here; my first job was I worked in the fruit and vegetables store as a sales rep. And I did not say anybody that I had a master degree—I did not want them to know, I thought that they would not hire me—but what it gave me was the opportunity to meet new people and to talk to people about everything I needed to know, even about apples. In the place I grew up we had two types of apples, and here there is twenty types of apples so I learned a lot. I met a lot of people that helped me out with the language, talking to customers helped me with the language. And when we first got to the country I was pregnant with my first son and while my husband did not have a job he made sure that every day he would learn twenty new words. And every day, he would wake up at six o'clock in the morning and study until two o'clock in the morning every day. Just to learn how to read and how to write and just how to communicate with people to find any job to survive. And eventually he got a job as an engineer after a few years and he work a lot of different jobs in America like in the supermarket and a lot of different jobs. But one day he got a job as an engineer and then he got his license in America, he passed all tests in English to get his license and he is licensed to practice in all tri-state area now. Another difference between Russia and America, since I have children here, if you have a child here you out of work for 6 weeks. In Russia it is different; in Russia if you have a child you get paid and miss a year and a half of work. For one year they pay you full salary and for a half of a year they give you like a half salary. And if you have another child you can stay home for another year, also you have two months before you give birth, so they care about newborns because when you have a newborn it is very hard to take care of that child and put it in a daycare at six weeks old. But when your child is almost two years old it is a different story. Like my sister she has two kids and didn't work. She had her first kid and didn't work for two years and had another kid another two years later. So, this way you stay more time with your family. And you will still keep your job.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And you like this about Russia? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes I like this about Russia, and another thing I like about Russia is kids do not have to make arrangements with each other. You know, “Can my son come over and play with your son tomorrow at three after school?” Where I grew up I never asked my parents if I can go to my friends' house. What I would do after school is go outside, knock on my friends' door and we would play and have fun. And my kids from my childhood are still best friends to this day, it is incredible. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I thought it was surprising when you said that not many people are religious in Russia, because actually people in our class that did not have anybody to interview are actually going to an Orthodox Ukraine church in Vestal, um, is religion a big propaganda in Russia also? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: A lot of changes happened after I left in 1990, a lot of churches and synagogues and mosques opened and people started to pray again. Maybe 70% of Russian people go to church now, when I grew up maybe 5% of Russian people went to church and—</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Who went? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Only older people who did not work anymore so they were not afraid to go. I'll tell you one more thing that is very different between Russia and the United States. Every year they go to school and get a new set of classmates. In Russia the classmates you get in first grade are the same classmates you are going to graduate with in the 10th grade. The class does not change. It is the same thirty kids in the school. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Even if they move? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: If they move then to another school it is a different story. But I went to the same school, with the same kids, and went in the same class from first grade until tenth grade. So, I made lifelong friends.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Would you say a lot of your friends are in Russia or elsewhere? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Some still live in Russia, some in other countries, but we all keep in touch because we are so close. That is what going to school from first-tenth grade does to you. In Russia, you stick with your group, you do not get to have other classmates. This can be a good and a bad thing. </span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You said you went to school from first to tenth grade, not first to twelfth grade? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, when I went to school it was very different, I am not sure if it is the same now. When I grew up in Russia you had ten years in school. We had elementary school from first to third grade, middle school until eighth grade, and high school was nine and ten. After eighth grade people have a choice, they can go to school of engineering school or different school, you don't have to stay in school till 10th grade. But you do not have to go to college, after eighth grade you go to a high school with specialty. I went to school till tenth grade. My husband did a specialty school after tenth grade, but not after eighth grade where he did engineering. Like here we have something called books where it is a trade school and it is the same thing but it is four years here like if you want to be a registered nurse. Here you go to college, in Russia after eighth you can go to school to become a nurse.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: How old is an eighth grader?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You start school when you are seven years old and graduate at seventeen—also break, there are different breaks during school year.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Wouldn't you go to the farm?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Not during full year.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: When would you go to school? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: School started September 1st and ended in June. And then in July and August you could do whatever you want.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: When do you go to the fields?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: And in the fall you would work in the fields because it was mandatory and that is when the harvest is. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Again, we are segueing again, but how do you view Russia, like politically? Do you think they are acting as aggressors? Do you think there will be a second Cold War? Are you in favor with Putin and his policy?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I am not a favor of Putin, I sense he is corrupt. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Did you like Gorbachev? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes I like Gorbachev, but I do not like Putin now because he thinks that he is tsar. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So you would call Putin a tsar? You think he is running Russia in an old fashion way? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes I think he is a tsar, I do not like what he did to Ukraine, I thought that it was not fair, because so many innocent people died and I still think Russia is a corrupted country, along with Ukraine. Both are very corrupt. I do not think that Russian politics right now, I mean the government, is not nice. I do not like it. Also not a lot of people in Russia support Putin. There is opposition. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: It does not seem like he is being from power anytime soon though? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: No, no you're right, he wants to be President of Russia forever. Putin is second Stalin. Some people say he is progressive, yes some views of his are good, but at the same time you cannot trust him and you do not know what he will do and we'll see.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Finally segueing back your decision to come to the United States, was it the best decision that you made? </span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, this was the best decision I made in my entire life, I have no regrets, I do not care how hard it was, it was definitely a great decision. It was a great opportunity for my husband and I to live in this country. Also I would not have three children because in Russia it is very hard to have more than one child because you cannot afford it. It was hard for parents to raise kids. But it was best decision for what happened. We have different lifestyle, yes, but I say every day it was a great decision. There is even a holiday in our family, every year on November 3rd or the day we came to America we have a nice dinner and eat dinner together. Most of my kids moved on and we are happy we left. We have a lot of friends here and I would say that as much as people complained, in the end everybody that I know that came here does not regret coming here. Sometimes people don't appreciate how good they have until they go to a different country. </span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Is there a nice American Russian community in Rockland County?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yeah, not many people in my neighborhood, there is only two of them and we just met them and we have been living here for ten years—but we have a lot of Russian friends.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Final thoughts?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Sometimes people do not appreciate what they have until they leave the country. But Russia is a very rich history and with a bunch of nice people.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Not to Americans?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: I can't say not to Americans, the Russian government is not nice to the government. But a lot of Russian people like American people. For example, me and Zachary went to St. Petersburg about seven years ago. We had plans and we only had three days to accomplish everything and one day it was going to rain so went to place number one and we had to take a boat to the second place because we were late. We asked a lady on a street and she gave us directions but we got lost again. We got lost again and she drove her car and told us to hop in her car and she will give us a ride. It was very nice and she drove us to the boat where it took us to a nice place outside of town. Also, in Russia there is a lot of history, like when you walk on the street, you can see the history and a lot monuments and a lot of nice building and museums, and people are very nice and warm.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: You don't really hear that often.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: The rhetoric.</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: We went to my hometown where all my classmates who still live in this town, we came together for one night and we all got together and took us to a nice place and restaurant and we had a great dinner and great time. They are very helpful with each other.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: So you are saying they are very caring?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Very caring people.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: That's because that's how you guys were raised?</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Yes, because schools and family values.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Ok, so that is the concluding of this interview.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Thank you so much.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Thank you so much.</span></p>
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<p><b>SK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: My pleasure and if you have any of your questions please give me a call and I will answer your questions.</span></p>
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<p><b>ZK</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: We are concluding this interview at 3:39 and have a great day.</span></p>
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<p><b>JS</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">: Thank you.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">(End of Interview)</span></p>
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Interview with Svetlana Kolesnik
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Binghamton University Libraries
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Kolesnik, Svetlana ; Sperber, Jake ; Kolesnik, Zach
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Svetlana Kolesnik is an immigrant from Berdichev, Ukraine. She dealt with persecution growing up due to her religion and felt the only way to feel free was to leave her home country. She immigrated to the United States in 1989 with her husband. She came to the United States in hope to provide her children a better life and a Jewish education. She now lives in New City, New York where where she is active in the Jewish community with her husband and three children.
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2016-03-31
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English
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Sveltana Kolesnik.m4a
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2016-04-18
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Ukrainian Oral History Project
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58:51
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Kolesnik, Svetlana.--Interviews; Ukrainians--United States; Diaspora, Soviet Union—History; Russian; Jews; Migrations; Persecution; Communism and culture--Soviet Union; Ethnic identity; Manors and customs; City and town life--New York (State)--New York