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Stephen McKiernan's collection of interviews includes more than two hundred interviews with prominent figures of the 1960s, which were collected between the mid-1990s to 2023 The collection provides narratives of people who were actively involved in or witnessed events in the 1960s, an era which spurred profound cultural and political transformation in the twentieth century. Interviewees include politicians, artists, scholars, musicians, authors, and veterans who delve into the decade’s most prominent issues and events, including the civil rights movement, the free speech movement, the anti-war movement, women’s rights, gay rights, segregation, the Vietnam War, Woodstock, Hippies, Yippies, and individualism.<br /><br />
<h3>The McKiernan 22</h3>
<div>Stephen McKiernan interviewed legends of the 1960s. When asked in 2021 where one should start when sifting through his vast collection, he provided the following list:</div>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/854">Julian Bond</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/835">Joseph Lee Galloway</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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Dr. Paul Stoller is a a professor of Anthropology at West Chester University in Pennsylvania. He has been concussing anthropological research for 30 years. His early work concerned the religion of the Songhay people who live in the Republic of Niger and Mali in West Africa. Since 1992, Stoller pursued studies of West African immigrants in New York City. Stoller's work has resulted in the publication of 11 books. In 1994 he was awarded the prestigious Guggenheim fellowship. In 2013, he was awarded the Anders Retguis Gold Medal in Anthropology. Stoller lectures all over the world and has appeared on NPR as well as the National Geographic Network.
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Baby Boomer; Generations; Revolutionary; 1960s; Women's Liberation Movement; Race problems; Social change; Vietnam War; Vietnam memorial; Healing; Lyndon Johnson; John F. Kennedy; Protests.
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Stephen McKiernan's collection of interviews includes more than two hundred interviews with prominent figures of the 1960s, which were collected between the mid-1990s to 2023 The collection provides narratives of people who were actively involved in or witnessed events in the 1960s, an era which spurred profound cultural and political transformation in the twentieth century. Interviewees include politicians, artists, scholars, musicians, authors, and veterans who delve into the decade’s most prominent issues and events, including the civil rights movement, the free speech movement, the anti-war movement, women’s rights, gay rights, segregation, the Vietnam War, Woodstock, Hippies, Yippies, and individualism.<br /><br />
<h3>The McKiernan 22</h3>
<div>Stephen McKiernan interviewed legends of the 1960s. When asked in 2021 where one should start when sifting through his vast collection, he provided the following list:</div>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/854">Julian Bond</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/835">Joseph Lee Galloway</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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1997
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Stephen McKiernan
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Sam Smith
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Baby Boomer; 1960s; Generation; Rights; Lyndon Johnson; Vietnam; Green Party; Vietnam War; Civil Rights Movement; 1970s; Race.
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Sam Smith is a writer, activist, and social critic who has been at the forefront of new ideas and new politics for more than four decades. The Harvard University graduate, class of 1959, has been editing alternative publications since 1964. He is an award-winning alternative journalist and currently is editor of Progressive Review. His activism helped organize the Association of State Green Parties-predecessor to the National Green Party and, in the 1970s, was a co-founder of the DC Statehood Party. He is the author of several books including his most recent titled Why Bother? Getting a Life in a Locked Down Land and a 1990's popular book titled His Shadows of Hope: A Free Thinker's Guide To Politics in the Time of Clinton. This native Washingtonian covered his first story in 1957 as a 19-year-old. He has served on the Board of the Fund For Constitutional Government; the DC United Black Fund; Project on Government Oversight and the DC NAACP Police & Justice Task Force.
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<h3>The McKiernan 22</h3>
<div>Stephen McKiernan interviewed legends of the 1960s. When asked in 2021 where one should start when sifting through his vast collection, he provided the following list:</div>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/854">Julian Bond</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/835">Joseph Lee Galloway</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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27 July 2010
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Stephen McKiernan
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Sara Davidson
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1960s; Berkeley; Sorority; Loose Change; Protests; Sexual revolution; Boomer generation.
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Sara Davidson is a journalist, novelist, screenwriter, radio host, and the New York Times bestselling author. She is the author of eight books, and has written for the New York Times, Esquire, Harper’s, Rolling Stone, and other magazines. Davidson created dramas for television and was co-executive producer of Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman. Davidson graduated from the University of California, Berkeley and attended Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.
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<h3>The McKiernan 22</h3>
<div>Stephen McKiernan interviewed legends of the 1960s. When asked in 2021 where one should start when sifting through his vast collection, he provided the following list:</div>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/854">Julian Bond</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/835">Joseph Lee Galloway</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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ND
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Stephen McKiernan
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Dr. Ralph Young
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1:26:32
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Binghamton University Libraries
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1960s; Assassination of John F. Kennedy; Baby boomers; Activism; Vietnam; Society; Civil Rights Movement; New York City; Attitudes; Marriage; Sex; Changes in Society.
Biographical Text
Dr. Ralph Young is a history professor at Temple University where his expertise centers on dissent and protest movements in America, social history, and recent U.S. history. On-campus he runs a weekly teach-in series on historical content of contemporary controversial issues. He is the recipient of a Fulbright fellowship to teach Dissent in America at the University of Rome. He led seminars on Dissent and Protest Movements at Charles University, Prague, and Tubingen University, Germany. Most recently he was a "Scholar In Residence" at the Chautauqua Institution and the winner of six major teaching awards at Temple. He is the author of Dissent in America: The Voices That Shaped The Nation, and Make Art Not War: Political Protest Posters of the 20th Century.
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BINGHAMTON
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A TRIBUTE CONCERT
IN MEMORY OF
P A U L GOLDSTAU B
Martin Bidney, narrator
Diane Birr, piano
Bruce Barton, conductor
Daniel Fabricius, percussion
jenny Gag, soprano
Stacey Geyer, soprano
Emily Goetz, percussion
W ill iam La wson, p i a no
Timothy LeFebvre, baritone
Stephanie Lehman, percussion
Georgetta Maiolo, flu te
Timothy Perry, clarinet
Margaret Reitz, piano
Harold Reynolds, trombone
Michael Salmirs, piano
J oel S males, percussion
Abigail Smith, soprano
University Chamber Chorus
Sa tu rday, J a n ua ry 31, 2015
7:30 p. m.
Anderson Center Ch am ber Hall
�as PROG RAM «s
1.
Six Slick Stix Click Licks (fugue for fun for 3 snare drums)
Every Evening (excerpts)
Your Heart and Mine
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Daniel Fabricius, Stephanie Lehman, Joel Smales
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Every Evening
Lago di Como, Italia
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Timothy Perry, clarinet; Margaret Reitz, piano
III.
Stephanie Lehman, marimba; M argaret Reitz, piano
Adagio (Rothko: Med itating on Color)
Toccata (Pollock : Line and Color)
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Aria and Chase
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Mallet Palette
Portraits (exce rpts)
Prelude (Mond rian: Lines and Colors)
Michael Salmirs, piano
Timothy Perry, conductor; Timothy LeFebure, baritone; Jenny Gac, soprano;
Stacey Geyer, so prano; Abigail Smith, soprano; Daniel Fabricius, Stephanie
Harold Reynolds, trombone; Diane Birr, piano
Shakespeare M ix
If Music Be the Food of Love
University Chamber Chorus; Bruce Barton, conductor
Daniel Fabricius, Emily Goetz, Stephanie Lehman, Joel Smales, percussion
William Lawson, piano; Margaret Reitz, piano
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Pastorale II for Flute and digital delay
Georget ta Maiolo, flute
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All proceeds from this concert will benefit new music initiatives for
Binghamton University Music students.
CDs of Paul Goldsmub’s worlu are available in the lobby for purchase.
�PROGRAM NOTES
Paul Goldstaub (19472014) was professor emeritus of music composition
and theory at Binghamton University, retiring in 2012. His compositions
have received multiple performances in such diverse venues as Lincoln
Center, Carnegie Hall, offoff Broadway, the G uthrie Theater, Minnesota
Opera, Cincinnati Opera and the Society for New Music, as well as in
Canada, Great Britain, German y, Italy, Russia a nd Japan.
He was the recipient of grants from the National Endowment for the Arts.
the National E ndowment for the Humanities. Meet the Com poser, the
Minnesota State Arts Board and the American Society of Composers,
Authors and Publishers (ASCAP).
He presented lectures, papers and workshops at the Chautauqua
Institution, Oberlin Conservatory, Syracuse U niversity, St. Olaf College,
Wells College and St. Thomas University Institute of Contem porary
Music Education, among others, as well as national meetings of the
College Music Society, the National Association of Schools of Music and
the New York State School Music Association.
Prior to coming to Binghamton in 1998, he held teaching positions at the
Ithaca College School of Music, the CollegeConservatory of M usic of the
University of Cincinnati, Mankato (Minnesota) State University and
Eastern Michigan University.
He earned a bachelor of music degree from the Ithaca College School of
Music, studying under Karel Husa and Warren Benson, and master of
music and doctor of musical arts degrees from the Eastman School of
Music, in the studio of Samuel Adler.
Schenkerian Analysis with Charles Burkhart.
He com pleted studies in
His music is published by Keyboard Percussion Publications/Marimba
Productions, Inc., Roger Dean Publishing Com pany, the International
Trombone Press/Southem Music, Ken Dom Publications, Transcontinental
Music Publications and LawsonGould Music Publishers, Inc.
I
Six Slick Stix Click L icks ( fugue for fun for 3 snare drums)
This snare dmm trio, premiered in 1991 by the I thaca College School of Music
Percussion Ensemble under the direction of Gordon Stout, remains one of Paul’s
most performed works. The indioations in the score include exact placement of
the “stix” on the ‘normal” playing position of the head, or the rim of the snare
drum, as well as indications to play silent strokes in the air, to play with the
fingertips, to clap, or to make spoken sounds,
The Binghamton University Percussion Ensemble, under the direction of Daniel
Fabricius, performed the work in 1999, followed by tonight’s special guest
percussionist, alumna Stephanie Lehman’s performance with members of the
Binghamton University Percussion Studio in 2008. Six Slick Stix Click Licks has
also been perform ed throughout the U.S. as well as in Russia, Japan, Slovenia and
the Philippines.
1L
Lago di Como, I talia
This is program music, describing the serene quality of Lake Como in Italy.
Located about 40 miles north of Milan, near the foothills of the Alps, the lake has
a special beauty and calmness. Paul wrote: “In this composition, 1 reflected on
the moods of this lake in Northe rn Italy, It had a unique serenity that engaged
my imagination to ponder the beauties of nature, wherever they are. There was a
special excitement in such calmness. 1 invite listeners to visualize places from
their own travels as they hear this music.”
Originally composed for saxophonist, Jamal Rossi and premiered at Ithaca
College in 1990 with Paul at the piano, versions were created later for cello,
bassoon or clarinet including performances by Binghamton University faculty
members Stephen Stalker (cello) and Timothy Perry (clarinet) both accompanied
by Margaret Reitz (piano).
III.
Portraits (excerpts)
Portraits is a suite of six short pieces for solo piano.
It was composed for
Binghamton University faculty me mber Michael Salmirs and premie red in 2008.
Paul wrote the following program notes at that time :
“For some years, I have been exploring the idea that in a collection of pieces, each
can have its own complete identity and yet still be part of the larger structure or
context in which it a ppears...Originally, each movemen t had just a musical title,
such as “Prelude ” or “Scherzo", and most of the work was done with those titles
in mind. However, late in the process, I became aware of certain analogies to the
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visual arts, and then to specific artists but not to specific works. Thus, there are
two titles for each of the six sections. The images seen here are meant to remind
us of the general style of these artists. It has been a special delight to compose for
Michael Salmirs. We spoke of the pieces often during the composition phase,
and many of the sketches were shared as the work was in progress. I hope all
composers could have the chance to work so closely with their performers”.
IV.
Aria and Chase
This brief, twopart work was premiered at the Ithaca College School of Music in
2008. lt was composed for this evening’s guest artists from the Ithaca College
School of Music, Harold (Hal) Reynolds, Professor of Trombone and Associate
Chair, Performance Studies and Diane Brrr, Professor of Piano and Associate
Chair, Performance Studies.
Every Evening (excerpts)
This work in nine movements, which Paul referred to as. “a sort of dialogue
between individuals in a relationship”, was inspired by poems first shared with
him in 2005 by Martin Bidney, Professor Emeritus of English at Binghamton
University. The poems, a series of Spanish folk lyrics, had been translated into
Russian by Konstantin Balmont about a century ago, and translated from Russian
into English by Professor Bidney. The composition was premiered at the
Binghamton University Musica Nova concert in 2009.
ll. Your Heart and Mine
Your heart and mine
Took counsel together
And both have decided
They can’t live apart.
Your eyes are azure,
An opening chord announces a basic sonority, which is used throughout the
introduction. A series of short cadenza phrases leads to the songlike first section,
featuring rolling chords in the piano and a lyrical melody in the solo trombone.
At the climax of this aria, the music dives into the “Chase” section, with both
instruments in pursuit until the end.
V.
Pastorale II for Flute and digital delay
At the premier of Pastorale II for Flute in 2005 Paul wrote: “Pastorale II for Flute,
dedicated to Binghamton University faculty member Georgetta Maiolo, begins
with a short, introspective phrase that unifies the piece. The Pitches (C#G#) and
the rhythm (dotted eighth, sixteenth, eighth in compound time) recur in many
forms as the piece grows to its highpoint and then returns to its origins.”
Georgetta Maiolo provides some background: “Pastorale for Flute Alone” was
written in 1984. Paul and I were assistant professors in the Ithaca College School
of Music, at the time. Paul showed the work to me and we collaborated on the
various tone colors, techniqum, and sound e ffects of the flute. In 1990, it was
performed as a world premiere on my faculty flute recital at Ithaca College. In
1998, Paul and I reunited as faculty members in the Depart ment of Music at
Binghamton University. We decided to revisit the work. but to add a digital delay
or sort of “electronic reverb” to the original. I premiered this version, now
entitled Pastorale l l for Flute on m y faculty flute recital in 2005, with a subsequen t
performance on the Musica Nova Concert in 2007, and as a
lecture/demonstration at SUNY Oneonta in 2007.”
Your eyes are blessed.
My own look and pray
And they ask for your mercy.
You are the pink of April
And you the rose of May,
The moon of January,
And I beneath your spell.
You’re brighter than the sun so bright,
More white than whitest snow,
You are the Alexandrian rose
That blooms the year around.
IV. Lullaby
Sleep, my little baby,
You are barely seen,
Sleep, my little star
Shining before the dawn.
The rose falls asleep,
Gleaming with dew.
Night’s coming o
Sleep, my child.
VIL I Thought that Love
1 thought that love
Was but a toy,
But now I see
You go through death.
�I can ’t see in the window now
The things I saw before.
The window I am looking through
Opens on loneliness.
1 live without life,
To live such a life.
Alive, I am not l iving.
Living, I die.
contribute to the intensity and forward movemen t. His careful planning of both
the accompaniment and melody roles which are shared by each instrument
throughout results in a simultaneously harmonious and combative relationship
between both players. At one moment, a player may introduce the motive and
pass it off to the other player who continues develo pment. Later, the motive may
be restated only as a fragment before being intercepted by the other player and
further developed.
Do not kill me, do not kill,
Let me live, let me live.
Let me pass, let me pass
Through the achings of this world.
The harmonies are not always stacked but are at times interlocked creating a
blended mixture of sound one might not expect to hear from two instruments
belonging to the same orchestral family. During the faster sections of the piece,
his spacing of these instruments in regards to register exploits the full range and
unique timbre of each. This piece ends where it began, only as Paul said, “with a
finishing touch".
IX. Every Evening
Every evening I know I will feel your eyes shine,
And I’ll know every evening that you will feel mine.
And so, truly the moon, in the neamess of night,
Will be mirror for us, in oblivion’s light!
With this project, Paul decided to challenge himself by trying something quite
different from his more typical approach to a new work. “I drew a picture of how
I wanted the overall piece to sound. Usually, I go with a more intuitive approach.
I decided in this case to do as much precompositional planning and structuring
as possible. ...l decided to take a more architectural approach. That means that I
spent time asking myself a lot of quiet questions. Now that l have my blueprint,
the intuition kicks in.” Eventually, it became clear to Paul that the work would be
written for a baritone soloist, pianist, two percussionists and a chorus of three
sopranos. The baritone soloist at the premiere was former Binghamton
University faculty member Timothy LeFebvre. Tim, currently Associate Professor
of Singing at the Oberlin Conservatory of Music, has returned to perform the
work again this evening.
VIL
Mallet Palette
This work for marimba and piano was composed in 2012 and was Paul’s final
com position. It was premiered at the Musica N ova concert that same year.
Composer Christian Martin, a former student in Paul’s composition studio at
Binghamton University, contributed the following program note:
Paul’s taste for consonance and dissonance is evidenced by his playful bantering
between pentatonic, chromatic, minor and major. Agogic and dynamic accents
enhance colorful pops of dissonance that permeate the otherwise tonal realm and
Shakerpeare Mix (excerpt)
Text from Twelfth Night (mostly)
This threemovement work for chorus, two pianos and four percussionists, with
text from Shakespeare’s comedy, Twelfth Night, was written in 2002 for the
Binghamton University Chorus under the direction of Bruce Berton, Associate
Professor of Music and Director of Choral Studies, and was last performed at the
University Chorus concert in the spring of 2014. The first movement, performed
here, is an upbeat introduction. The second is the lyrical core of the piece,
featuring the chorus and vibraphone, and the last movement is the most
extensive, with two percussion interludes.
Shakespeare’s plays fascinated and inspired Paul ever since he began his graduate
studies at the Eastman School of Music and composed incidental music for
productions of The Tempest, Twelfth Night, Two Gentlemen of Verona and Richard H
at the Rochester Shakespeare Theater. Later, he composed song cycles, orchestral
pieces and choral works based on those plaw.
Paul loved music, above all else, and he wanted to communicate that love of
music, the joy of living and pure fun with this first movement from his often
performed choral work, Shakespeare Mix. Enjoy!
1. lf Music Be the Food ofbove
l f music
be the food of love, play on.
Oh, spirit of love, how quick and how fresh thou art!
Oh, give me excess of it.
(Thanks to William Shakespeare
for the words that g o w i th this tune!)
�I can ’t see in the window now
The things I saw before.
The window I am looking through
Opens on loneliness.
1 live without life,
To live such a life.
Alive, I am not l iving.
Living, I die.
contribute to the intensity and forward movemen t. His careful planning of both
the accompaniment and melody roles which are shared by each instrument
throughout results in a simultaneously harmonious and combative relationship
between both players. At one moment, a player may introduce the motive and
pass it off to the other player who continues develo pment. Later, the motive may
be restated only as a fragment before being intercepted by the other player and
further developed.
Do not kill me, do not kill,
Let me live, let me live.
Let me pass, let me pass
Through the achings of this world.
The harmonies are not always stacked but are at times interlocked creating a
blended mixture of sound one might not expect to hear from two instruments
belonging to the same orchestral family. During the faster sections of the piece,
his spacing of these instruments in regards to register exploits the full range and
unique timbre of each. This piece ends where it began, only as Paul said, “with a
finishing touch".
IX. Every Evening
Every evening l know l will feel your eyes shine,
And l’ll know every evening that you will feel mine.
And so, truly the moon, in the neamess of night,
Will be mirror for us, in oblivion’s light!
With this project, Paul decided to challenge himself by trying something quite
different from his more typical approach to a new work. “I drew a picture of how
I wanted the overall piece to sound. Usually, I go with a more intuitive approach.
I decided in this case to do as much precompositional planning and structuring
as possible. ...l decided to take a more architectural approach. That means that I
spent time asking myself a lot of quiet questions. Now that l have my blueprint,
the intuition kicks in.” Eventually, it became clear to Paul that the work would be
written for a baritone soloist, pianist, two percussionists and a chorus of three
sopranos. The baritone soloist at the premiere was former Binghamton
University faculty member Timothy LeFebvre. Tim, currently Associate Professor
of Singing at the Oberlin Conservatory of Music, has returned to perform the
work again this evening.
Vll.
Mallet Palette
This work for marimba and piano was composed in 2012 and was Paul’s final
com position. It was premiered at the Musica N ova concert that same year.
Composer Christian Martin, a former student in Paul’s composition studio at
Binghamton University, contributed the following program note:
Paul’s taste for consonance and dissonance is evidenced by his playful bantering
between pentatonic, chromatic, minor and major. Agogic and dynamic accents
enhance colorful pops of dissonance that permeate the otherwise tonal realm and
Shakespeare Mix (excerpt)
Text from Twelfth Night (mostly)
This threemovement work for chorus, two pianos and four percussionists, with
text from Shakespeare’s comedy, Twelfth Night, was written in 2002 for the
Binghamton University Chorus under the direction of Bruce Berton, Associate
Professor of Music and Director of Choral Studies, and was last performed at the
University Chorus concert in the spring of 2014. The first movement, performed
here, is an upbeat introduction. The second is the lyrical core of the piece,
featuring the chorus and vibraphone, and the last movement is the most
extensive, with two percussion interludes.
Shakespeare’s plays fascinated and inspired Paul ever since he began his graduate
studies at the Eastman School of Music and composed incidental music for
productions of The Tempest, Twelfth Night, Two Gentlemen of Verona and Richard H
at the Rochester Shakespeare Theater. Later, he composed song cycles, orchestral
pieces and choral works based on those plaw.
Paul loved music, above all else, and he wanted to communicate that love of
music, the joy of living and pure fun with this first movement from his often
performed choral work, Shakespeare Mix. Enjoy!
1. lf Music Be the Food of Love.
l f music
be the food of love, play on.
Oh, spirit of love, how quick and how fresh thou art!
Oh, give me excess of it.
(Thanks to William Shakespeare
for the words that g o w i th this tune!)
�CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF COMPOSITIONS
BY PAUL R. GOLDSTAUB
EARTHSHINE (1968), musical score and orchestrations for origin
al musical
(A) WANDERING ARAMEAN WAS MY FATHER (1969), fulllength
musical theatre
piece
PINK IS FOR GIRLS, score for musical (1970)
THE BIG SHOW (1972), score and arrangements for musical
FABLES HERE AND THEN (1973), score for musical
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST (1973), electronic music score for the play
RICHARD II (1973), incidental music for the play
(THE) TAMING OF THE SHREW (1973), incidental music for the play
TWO GENTLEMEN OF VERONA (1973), incidental music for the p
lay
(THE) SIGNIFVING MONKEY AND OTHER TALES (1974), score for full
length musical
(THE) TEMPEST (1974), incidental music for the play
TEMPEST SONGS (1974), for soprano and piano
GRAPHIC IV (1975), for alto saxophone and celeste, published by K
en Dorn
Publications
SERENADE FOR FLUTE AND HARP (1975)
SIX LADINO SONGS (1975), for soprano, flute and harp
MAY THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH (1976) for solo voice and choru
s (a cappella with
optional keyboard) published by Transcontinental Music Publica
tions, 2008
SACRED SERVICE FOR WELCOMING THE SABBATH (1976), doctoral
dissertation
(A) COMMON FEEUNG (1978), score for full length musical
CONCERTINO FOR FLUTE AND STRINGS (1978)
FANTASIA ON ‘ANGELS WE HAVE HEARD ON HIGH’ (1978), for ch
orus, orchestra,
brass ensemble, percussion ensemble and organ
(THE) MARRIAGE PROPOSAL (1978), chamber opera
FESTIVAL PRELUDE (1980), for orchestra (second version for win
d ensemble)
(THE) STARS S ING A MUSIC (1981), chamber opera
FROM ‘THE SONG OF SOLOMON’ (1982), for chorus
SONATA FOR SAXOPHONE (1982)
CHAMBER MUSIC (1983), for chorus, published by LawsonGould M
usic Publishers,
1984
(A) CHAMBER SYMPHONY (1983)
PEER GYNT (1983), incidental music for the play
GOD IS OUR SHELTER (1984), for contralto and organ
PASTORALE (1984), for flute
(THE) SILVER SWAN (1984), for chorus, published by LawsonGoul
d Music
Publishers, 1984
THREE SISTERS (1984), incidental music for the play
VARIATION SONATA: JOURNEY THROUGH PRISMS (1984), for pi
ano
(THE) TROJAN WOMEN (1985), chamber opera
I AM PROSPERO (1986), for chamber orchestra
LOVE’S VOICES (1986), for tenor and piano
(THE) MOVIE IN MY HEAD (1986), for six instruments
ON THE RAZZLE (1986), incidental music for the play
COLUMBUS (1987), a theatre piece
SONATA FOR FIVE TRUMPETS (1987)
PETRUCHIO! (1988), an overture for chamber orchestra
CHOOS ING TO BE (1989), for orchestra
VENETIAN ECHOES (1989), for trombone ensemble, published by I
TA Press, 2004
LAGO dl COMO, ITALIA (1990), for alto saxophone and piano (later
versions for
cello and bassoon)
SCHERZO (1990), for women’s voices and piano, published by Roger
Dean
Publications, 1997
SIX SLICK STIX CUCK UCKS (1990), for percussion trio, published
by Marimba
Productions, Inc., 2001
DRIVING IN MANHATTAN (1992), for brass quintet
REVERSE THUNDER (1992), incidental music for the play by Diane
Ackerman
CLAP! TAP! SNAP! (1993), for soprano, guitar, cello, harp and piano
(THE) JOURNEY (1994), for harpsichord and nine instruments
SCHERZO (1992), for woodwind quintet
FOUR VOCAUSES (1995), for soprano, guitar, harp and double bass
(A) TIME FOR WONDERING (1995), for chorus, brass and percus
sion
HALGORHYTHMS (1997), for trombone and percussion ensemb
les
QUARTET FOR STRINGS (1997)
CADENZA (1998), for solo violin
PRELUDE AND ALLEGRO (1998), for clarinet and piano
SILVER SONG (1998), for flute, percussion and keyboards
SIX (1998), a dance score for pianos and percussion
THREE PIECES FOR PIANO (1999)
TRIPLE ANTIPHONAL SESQUICENTENNIAL OVERTURE (1999), for
brass and
percussion
CHANUKAH VARIATIONS (2000), for horn ensemble
LORD, MAKE ME AN INSTRUMENT OF THY PEACE (2000), for ch
orus, trombone
and organ
MICHELANGELO (2000), film score
OUT THERE (2000), song cycle for voice and piano
COUNT! (2001), for bassoon ensemble
OPPOS ITES ATTRACT (2001), for saxophone trio
REMEMBRANCE AND REFLECTION (2001), for trombone ensemble
SHAKESPEARE MIX (2002), for chorus, pianos and percussionists
TOCCATA (2004), for organ
ARIA AND CHASE, (2005), for trombone and piano
FOUR PRELUDES FOR PIANO (2005)
PASTORALE II (2005), for flute and digital delay
MUSIC FOR STRINGS (2006), for orchestra
YOU CAN HEAR IT (2006), for three choruses, piano and brass
PORTRAITS (2007), for piano
EVERY EVENING (2008), for baritone, sopranos, percussionists a
nd piano
(THE) SILVER SWAN (2008) for solo quarte t and chorus
DOUBTFUL SOUND (2011) for flute
MALLET PALETTE (2012), for marimba and piano, to be publishe
d by Keyboard
Percussion Publications/Marimba Productions, Inc.
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ff/seniors/alumni; $10 for
students
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pe ra prese nts R ossini ’s
8:00 p.m. The Forum Th
The Italian G irl in Algie
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for tickets
Th ursday, Fe brua ry 26 M
idDay Conce rt 1:20
p. m.
– Casadesus Reci tal Hall
free
Th ursday, Fe brua ry 26
TriC ities Opera presen
ts Michael Ching’s “S pee
To night! ” – 8:00 p. m.
d Da ting
Opera Ce nte r, 315 Clin
ton
Stree t, Bingha m ton , N
7720400 for tickets
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Friday, Fe brua ry 27
TriC ities Opera presen
ts Michael Ching’s “S
To night! ” – 8:00 p. m.
peed Da ting
Opera Ce nte r, 315 Clin
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Stree t, Bingha m ton , N
7720400 for tickets
Y Call 607
Sa turday, Februa ry 28
Joint Ju nior Recital: Bran
don Young, tru m pe t an
Beard , trom bone 3:00 p
d Chris
.m . Casadesus Reci tal H
all free
Sa turday, Fe brua ry 28
TriC ities Opera presen
ts Michael Ching’s “S pee
To night! ” 8:00 p. m.
d Da ting
Opera Ce nte r, 315 Clin
ton
Stree t, Bingha t mo n, N
Y – Call 607
7720400 for tickets.
Su nday, March 1 – Sona
ta Maste rpieces for cello
and pia no with Stephe
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m. Ande rson Cen ter C
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Th ursday, Ma rch 5 M id
Day Conce rt 1:20 p . m.
Casadesus Reci tal Hall
free
Friday, Ma rch 6 Maste
r’s Reci tal : N icholas Foll
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McKiernan Interviews
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<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/835">Joseph Lee Galloway</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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2010-10-29
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Stephen McKiernan
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Craig McNamara2
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Craig McNamara is the son of Robert McNamara, former Secretary of Defense during the John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson administrations. He is the President and owner of Sierra Orchards, a diversified farming operation producing organic walnuts and olive oil. He also serves as founder and president of the Center For Land-Based Learning, an innovative program, which assists high school students in building greater human and social capital in their communities. McNamara currently is the President of the California State Board of Food and Agriculture. He has a Bachelor's degree in Plant and Soil Science from the University of California, Davis.
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<h3>The McKiernan 22</h3>
<div>Stephen McKiernan interviewed legends of the 1960s. When asked in 2021 where one should start when sifting through his vast collection, he provided the following list:</div>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/854">Julian Bond</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/835">Joseph Lee Galloway</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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6 February 1998
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Stephen McKiernan
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Ed Rendell
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Ed Rendell is a politician, and a member of Democratic Party. Rendell served as the Governor of Pennsylvania from 2003 to 2011, as chair of the national Democratic Party, and as the Mayor of Philadelphia from 1992 to 2000. He also served in the U.S. Army Reserve from 1968 to 1974. Rendell received a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Pennsylvania in 1965 and a Juris Doctor from Villanova Law School in 1968.
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Boomer generation; Revolution; Lyndon Johnson; Vietnam War; Vietnam veterans; Society; Trust; Government; College students.
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<span>This collection includes interviews in English with informants of all ages and a variety of backgrounds from various parts of Armenia. The interviews provide deeper insight into the history of the Armenian culture through personal accounts, narratives, testimonies, and memories of their early lives in their adoptive country and back in Armenia. </span>
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2 February 2018
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Jacqueline Kachadourian
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Mikayel Harutyunyan
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Mikayel Harutyunyan was born in Yerevan, Armenia, and moved to New York in 2012. He received his Bachelor's degree in Graphic Design from Binghamton University in 2020. While studying at Binghamton University, he was the Graphic Design Intern at Pipe Dream Newspaper. Harutyunyan plans to work in either product design or graphic design in the entertainment industry.
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Armenian Oral History Project
Interview with: Mikayel Harutyunyan
Interviewed by: Jackie Kachadourian
Transcriber: Cordelia Jannetty
Date of interview: 2 February 2018
Interview Setting: Binghamton
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(Start of Interview)
00:13
JK: My name is Jacqueline Kachadourian, I am interviewing, um, for the Binghamton University Oral History Project Today is February 2, 2018. Um, will you please state your name for the record?
00:25
MH: My name is Mikayel Harutyunyan.
00:28
JK: And can you give us some biograph-uh, biographical information like where you are from.
00:33
MH: Yeah, um I was born in 1998 in Armenia, Yerevan, uh and since then I have moved to America, um, for studies.
00:47
JK: And, um, growing up in Armenia, uh how long did you live there until you moved ̶
00:53
MH: I lived there until I was thirteen years old.
00:55
JK: And then you moved to the United States?
00:57
MH: Yes.
00:59
JK: And, um, would you tell us about your parents, u their occupations and their role in [indistinct] ̶
01:04
MH: Uh, my dad is a businessman, uh so he does multiple ̶ he, he deals with multiple companies, multiple different jobs. And my mom is a ̶ used to be a banker, an accountant and then she is now a stay at home mom who studies in college.
01:25
JK: And did you have any siblings growing up?
01:27
MH: Yes I have. When I was growing up I had a one year like an older brother whose one, one years old one year older than me. But now I also have a, a eight year old small brother.
01:39
JK: And did you attend Armenian lang-language school or bible school or ̶
01:43
MH: Uh, well yeah when I was in Armenian I was in an Armenian school.
01:48
JK: And, uh, did you ̶ assuming in Armenia you spoke Armenian ̶
01:53
MH: Yes.
01:54
JK: Uh, did you learn any other languages like Turkish or [indistinct] ̶
01:57
MH: Uh, I learned Russian.
01:58
JK: Russian.
01:59
MH: Uh, Russian is the second language for Armenians in Yerevan.
02:03
JK: And, um, uh, did your family a-always stay in Armenia in like the past, or did they move from different places to Armenia?
02:13
MH: Yeah, uh, my mom's side, uh, had lived in Armenia in, uh, I mean both of the sides have lived in Armenia but not Yerevan ̶ only the, uh, grandparents, uh, my grandparents that moved to Yerevan and since then their kids, uh, my mom's side comes from, uh, uh, Hoktemberyan. And my dad’s side comes from, uh, [indistinct], in Ijevan.
02:41
JK: And, um, did your family ever go through the Armenian genocide or were they not part of it?
02:50
MH: Uh, I know that my mom's side was affected because her, um, her uncle's parents they, they were separated at, uh, when they were moving away from Armenia, or fleeing Armenia to come to U-the US. They, uh, separated-the older and the younger brothers were separated because they were put into, uh, different, uh, home services for kids, uh, and they accidentally ̶ one of the kids' names was changes ̶ last names was changed so they do not even have the same last name even though they are cousins.
03:31
JK: Mhm, and did they ever reconnect, do you know?
03:33
MH: Yeah they, they reconnect they reconnected later on and, uh, they are bo ̶ all, all of them are in, uh, America ̶ or -Los Angeles.
03:40
JK: Okay. And, uh, growing up in Armenia, was it like ̶ um, moving to the United States ̶ how was it similar or different?
03:51
MH: Uh, I feel like my parents were always kind of, um, like, uh, they, they were active in the US ̶ in Europe they traveled a lot so we were kind of used to this ̶ the English language, watching stuff in English, um, we ̶ I mean obviously I was not good at speaking, uh, I thought I was because I studied in Armenia but turned out when I first arrived it was not easy, um, but after a while, I got used to it.
04:16
JK: Um, growing ̶ uh when you moved to the United States, uh, what part did you move to?
04:21
MH: Uh, we moved straight to New York, um, yeah Westchester.
04:26
JK: And were there a lot of Armenians in the area or no?
04:28
MH: Not a lot at all, uh, and the Armenians that are there, they have been here for such a long time that it is kind of different, uh, yeah.
04:37
JK: And, um, growing, growing up in Westchester did your parents speak Armenian in the household or did they ̶
04:44
MH: Yeah, uh, we speak in Armenian but my younger brother he started losing the ability to speak Armenian so he just ̶ he usually has a tough time speaking but yeah we usually speak Armenian in the household.
05:01
JK: And did you guys accustom to like, uh, American standards or did you guys keep with the Armenian traditions?
05:08
MH: I think we kept ̶ we most likely kept like the traditions, the Armenian but we also incorporated the American stuff like Thanksgiving and Christmas even though we Armenians do not celebrate those two. Um, but we ̶ but we also keep the Armenian Easter and stuff January 6.
05:26
JK: And when you were in Armenia did you attend church regularly?
05:30
MH: Hhm not regularly, we, we would attend obviously for any, um, weddings and, uh, and, uh, what is it called other, other events that happen in the church and we would go sometimes to pray and, um, light candles but not regularly, I would not-
05:49
JK: Um, was it were you [indistinct] living in Westchester, uh, the Armenian community, or was it mostly your [indistinct] your American friends?
05:58
MH: Uh, we are ̶ we have one, uh, family friends in-a few minutes away from us in Westchester but, uh, usually my friends are American, uh, and we, we usually ̶ we ̶ there is an Armenian church in Westchester that we attend sometimes but we do not really know anyone from there.
06:19
JK: And coming to Binghamton University, um, do you know, do you know if there is a big population of Armenians or have you seen-?
06:28
MH: I have not really seen much I have seen just a couple people that are Armenian and, uh, I do not really think there is a big community here.
06:37
JK: Yeah, um, and then let us see, so growing up in the household in, uh, Armenia what was it ̶ what was it like compared to like now within like the classes et cetera, school life?
06:56
MH: Uh, yeah I mean obviously school life is much different I was going to a public, uh, private school in Armenia, uh, which was kind of more similar to American schools than any other school in Armenia so I am kind of more used to it but at the same time it is, it is obviously different and, uh, the household seems to be the same not, not much of a difference there.
07:17
JK: And, uh, have you ever been back to Armenia since you left or ̶
07:21
MH: I ̶ yeah, I, I cannot go back and I have not been there before, uh, since the five years I have been here because once I go back there is a problem with the Armenian, uh, army and even pe-people with citizenship in the United States, uh, uh, that are-that have come, uh, from Armenia and then became citizens they can still, uh, be taken to the army even if they go back.
07:46
JK: Oh okay.
07:46
MH: Yeah.
07:47
JK: And do you have any family in Armenia or are they ̶
07:50
MH: I, I do yeah I have my, uh, dads, uh, side, grandma and uncle.
07:55
JK: Okay.
07:56
MH: With-with kids and wife.
07:58
JK: Um, if it was possible would you want to go back or ̶
08:00
MH: Oh yeah, of course, I would like to visit.
08:03
JK: Yeah and, uh, what were the ̶ what were the circumstances in which you guys had to come ̶ or leave Armenia and come to the Westchester ̶ were you happy about it or were you ̶
08:14
MH: Uh, yeah I think, uh, it has been ̶ my dad has been planning it for a while, not planning but thinking about it because my so in around 2000, uh, around the year 2000 my grandparents won the, the green card and went to LA. My, my mom's side, uh, yeah grandparents went to live in Glendale which has a very big Armenian community and, uh, since then obviously the idea was to join with them ̶ join-go to America was pretty vivid but, uh, we pushed it as education and obviously avoiding the war and, uh, avoiding, uh, going to the army.
09:00
JK: And, um, you ever you think you guys would ever go to Glendale or ̶
09:09
MH: Uh.
09:11
JK: ̶ Probably stay in Westchester.
09:11
MH: Um, there is an idea I mean yeah if, if anything it there is its different circumstances obviously but, um, it depends on what happens but the idea to move to Glendale is not, not a terrible one there is ̶ it is a big community there but, um, I, I feel like this is better ̶ kind of not too close to the community because I know that many people who live there they just do not even learn English because they have everything they need to just speak Armenian and not, um, get American ̶ not get Americanized I guess.
09:46
JK: And, um, what were some of the Armenian traditions that you guys kept in the household like did you guys celebrate Armenian Christmas as opposed to traditional Christmas?
09:56
MH: We ̶ I guess we cel ̶ we celebrate both, um, we celebrate the American one and the Armenian on January six, uh, and, um, yeah, yeah we, we kept those kind of traditions.
10:14
JK: Um, and then growing-as you grow older, grow older do you want to keep those traditions in the household like speaking Armenian?
10:23
MH: Yeah, yeah definitely I, I would like that I'd like it if-if we kept it and even, uh, other type of traditions, too in, uh, I guess marriage and stuff.
10:33
JK: Mhm and, um, it is important to your parents to, uh, for you to keep those traditions not just like yourself but your parents want you-
10:42
MH: Uh, I do not know actually, um, they have not really ever specified they need the traditions kept I guess it is just assumed that we are going to and, uh, we never ̶ me and my brothers never said that we were not I guess it is ̶ it is kind of obvious for us.
10:57
JK: Yeah, um, uh, coming to Binghamton and obviously the United States what were some of the new traditions that you guys, uh, brought into your household? If, you know, any ̶ or ̶ besides holidays and stuff.
11:14
MH: Um, I do not, I do not think there is anything that big, uh, not, not really no.
11:24
JK: And, um, when you went to ̶ I am assuming you went to high school in Westchester?
11:29
MH: Yeah.
11:29
JK: Um, did-were people surprised that you were from Armenia like did they know about Armenian culture?
11:38
MH: Uh, they would ask because I, I have an accent and stuff they would ask about it but, uh, it would ̶ they would assume or they would like pretend that they knew where, where it is but obviously it is like such a small country it is not really ̶ but people were interested yeah people were wondering about stuff and I, I tried to kind of show my culture as well.
12:01
JK: And, um, what-what do you think that makes ̶ what makes you most Armenian in your eyes? Like what is ̶
12:08
MH: What makes me most Armenian? My nose [laughs] No, uh, I do not know, uh, I guess, uh, the way I think I guess is very Armenian traditionalist I guess, um, and, uh, political views I guess a little bit but-
12:30
JK: Um, do you ̶ what do you think is the ̶ do you think like church is an important Armenia like what makes ̶ what do you believe that makes Armenia like important? The language, the culture ̶
12:42
MH: Yeah the, the language is very important because, uh, our letters are our own we do not even it, it does not come from any trees it is just created by us and we speak it and it is really rare for a language to have a ̶ to be like that for such a small country and history is very important obviously, um, pride, um, and church is too.
13:07
JK: And do you think Armenia could re ̶ uh, remain without the language or the church of the homeland or ̶
13:14
MH: Um, can Armenia remain without having a homeland?
13:18
JK: Yeah, like ̶
13:18
MH: Yeah like I get what you are saying the history traditions stuff.
13:21
JK: Yeah.
13:22
MH: People ̶ when people usually ̶ I mean you can kind of see it in, uh, people who have moved here a lot of them, uh, try to keep the traditions and they do go to church but sometimes it just does not work out and slowly they, uh, get more Americanized which is fine I guess but, uh, there are so many Armenians all over the world in completely different places and they ae all completely different but they are all proud to be Armenian. I guess that is how it can remain.
13:50
JK: And you see, uh, bringing the topic up ̶ do you see a difference between the Armenians who are in Armenia and like, uh, the diaspora ̶
13:57
MH: Yeah defin ̶ definitely I went to camp over the summer, uh, the Armenian camp. All the people ̶ most of the people there were I would say 95 percent were American-born in American or Canada and, uh, it, it is not, it is not something specific but it is obviously different than from people in Armenia than how people in Armenia are.
14:20
JK: Uh, do you know any ̶ like could you name any examples or it is just gener ̶ like general.
14:25
MH: It is just that ̶ I really cannot it is just, just the feeling of the interaction just the culture I guess but they do keep ̶ I know that they are strong in keeping the tradition of church every Sunday they, they would have a church, um, they would invite, uh, like a preacher ̶ Armenian preacher and they would have church.
14:46
JK: And, um, uh, let us see how would you identify yourself as like Armenian-American, American-Armenian?
14:57
MH: I would just say Armenian.
14:58
JK: Armenian.
14:58
MH: Yeah, I ̶ not, uh, I guess it is too early to say Armenian-American yet.
15:04
JK: Um, and, uh, for your siblings like you and your older brother and you and your younger brother do you communicate them ̶ to them with-in Armenian or ̶
15:15
MH: Yeah with my, uh, older brother I definitely do. With my younger one, I try to but sometimes he does not understand some things I say so we switch to English but usually, I try to communicate with them in Armenian.
15:28
JK: And, um, um, as you grow older do you want to move back to Armenia if it was possible or do you want to stay?
15:51
MH: Um, permanently probably not I would want to move, move back. Sometimes I do think about how my life would be different if I stayed in Armenia but at the same time, I think the opportunity in America is way too large to miss out on, um, since I am already here. But I would want to visit Armenia. I definitely ̶ I would want to go for a couple months at a time.
16:12
JK: And, uh, going back to like your past history like your past family history, uh, you were saying how your mom's family was affected by the genocide have you ever visited like the villages they came from-they are still intact?
16:27
MH: Uh, the village my, my, my, my mom’s side is on is, uh, I visited many times and same, same with my dad's side. Actually I visited the dad's side even more because in Ijevan, Ijevan is right next to Azerbaijan border but it, it really was not affected by, uh, the war and, uh, by the genocide with the Turks so, um, we visit there all the time. And my-my mom's side it is Hoktemberyan we, we would go there I, I was a kid I would go there more because my grandparents were here ̶ were back in Armenia, um, but yeah, uh, but the original, original sites like in even in Turkey that, that has been taken over ̶ I have not visited those.
17:08
JK: Would you want to if the opportunity arises [indistinct].
17:13
MH: Probably not. I, I people go to Turkey a lot of time from Armenia but, uh, I do not know I have never felt the urge to do that.
17:23
JK: And, uh, what ̶ do you know the reason why your family decided to stay in Armenia rather than re-relocate, uh, during that time?
17:32
MH: Oh during that time. I really do not know why. I think I think both the villages-both of the villages that they stayed in were not really that affected, um, Ijevan my, my dad’s side, uh, I guess and they were not it was not like they were staying there permanently it ̶ my grandparents were already in Yerevan, uh, both of them so it, it was not going to affect them as much, uh, or like with Azerbaijan. So I guess it, it just happened to be really convenient to stay, safe.
18:08
JK: And, uh, was it was there any difficulties coming to the United States at a young age?
18:17
MH: Yeah, uh, obviously there is going to be, uh, is ̶ you are going to be having a tough time the first couple months because of the language barrier, uh, my grades were not that great and then, uh, and when ̶ they did get better obviously because, um, I came to Binghamton ̶ I needed to go to college um but it was tough, uh, the language barrier was always I mean there and culturally were also completely different from American people so, socially, it was also affected.
18:51
JK: And, um, and I know you already mentioned this but it's important to keep the tradition of speaking Armenian alive and to uphold the Armenian traditions, um, why-why is it important for you to [indistinct].
19:12
MH: Um I, I would say I am like nationalist [laughs] nationalistic towards Armenia. I mean I really love my country, um, so, uh, keeping the language is number one way to keep the traditions alive ̶ keep the culture alive, uh, language is very important and you can see it in, uh, every immigrant group that has moved; Italians, Irish, uh, all the, uh, Latinos that moved from different countries they, they, they keep ̶ they have sections of country where there is a lot of them and they speak the language because they need to keep the culture alive in a different country, um, so it is important to, uh, keep our Armenians ̶ like Armenia ideology.
20:00
JK: Um, is there anything else you would like to add?
20:03
MH: Uh, no I, I think, I think that is it, yeah that is about it.
20:05
JK: All right thank you.
(End of Interview)
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Armenians; Traditions; Yerevan; Church; Culture; New York; Family; Language; Family.
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6 January 2020
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Mary
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Armenians, Beirut, Aleppo, Parents, Family, French, Turkish, Boston, Traditions, Armenian.
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Mary was born in Beirut, Lebanon to Armenian parents. Her family relocated to Boston, Massachusetts when she was young. She moved to the Broome County area after she married a Binghamton native. Mary has a Master's degree in Clinical Social Work. She is married with two children and grandchildren.
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Armenian Oral History Project
Interview with: Mary
Interviewed by: Aynur de Rouen and Joseph Seif
Transcriber: Aynur de Rouen
Date of interview: 6 January 2020
Interview Setting: Binghamton, NY
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(Start of Interview)
00:09
JS: Today is January 6, 2020. We are at the Binghamton University Library with Mary. So, um, what ̶ Where were you born Mary?
00:25
M: I was born in Beirut, Lebanon,
00:26
JS: Or you were ̶ You went to Beirut, Lebanon. Okay.
00:28
M: I was born there. Yes.
00:30
JS: And what is your ethnic ̶ ethnic ̶
00:32
M: I am Armenian.
00:33
JS: Armenian? Okay. How was ̶ Can you tell us a bit more about Lebanon, Beirut, Lebanon?
00:39
M: Well, I came here when I was very young. So my parents immigrated here. So I do not really remember a lot about my life in Beirut prior to coming here. But when I graduated high school, my parents sent me back to get to know the country that I came from and to meet my family that was still there. So then I developed much more of an appreciation and a feeling for where I came from.
01:04
JS: So you have, you have a lot of family back in Lebanon.
01:08
M: Not anymore. I have one uncle, elderly uncle who lives there on my father's side, and then I have a my mother's sister and my cousin who live in Damascus. Other than that, there is well and a cousin who lives in Dubai, but I do not really consider that as much. Yeah.
01:24
JS: Okay. And so when did you come here to the US? He came here with your parents ̶
01:29
M: With my parents in 1959, 1959.
01:34
JS: Wow. Do you have any siblings?
01:36
M: I have one sister. We are a year and a half apart. So we were both very little when we came here. And so I think we became Americanized very quickly as a result of that. And we started kindergarten together. And in the US in Boston, that was where we ended up.
01:53
JS: Okay, so you do not remember anything from when you were kid? You said ̶
01:58
M: Um, I just, I just remember. Yeah, we spoke Armenian at home. Okay. What else did you want to ask me? I do not want to just ramble on.
02:06
JS: Oh, no. So was ̶ Armenian here in the US or just in Beirut, when ̶
02:12
M: both my parents still wanted us to speak Armenian at home here, but we never did. But we were supposed to.
02:20
AD: Do you still speak Armenian?
02:21
M: I can speak I understand. Very well, I can speak but it is a little rusty now. But I understand it. My mother who only passed away four and a half years ago, always spoke Armenian to me. So the language is very much a part of me. Always.
02:36
JS: Um, so when you? You said you came to the US ̶ when you came to the US as a young kid and went to school here. How were ̶ How was like the environment change? Do you recall any of that?
02:47
M: Well, I just remember, um going to kindergarten and not understanding the teacher.
02:53
JS: Okay.
02:54
M: ̶ Like one day, and then the next day. I just understood, that was what it seemed like, I am sure the process. But you know, at that age, what are you going to remember, except just being there and all the kids understood the teacher and you did not understand word and then, but I do not remember being terribly upset by it. Because I think my parents just told me it would come real quickly and it did. Yeah.
03:14
JS: That is good. That is good. So could you let us know a bit more about your family's history, your parents? What work ̶ with their jobs and everything.
03:25
M: My father was from Beirut, and he got us. I mean, up through up until college, I do not know what school he went to. But he was French educated. And then he went to the American University in Beirut, and he is an engineer. He was an engineer. My mother went to a French missionary school in Damascus, where she grew up. And so French was her first language all along, after Armenian, and she got her baccalaureate. So my father was an engineer, and he worked as an engineer in Beirut, up until the time we came here, and then he got a job here in the center,
04:01
AD: where they born? Your dad?
04:03
M: My father was born in Beirut. My mother was born in Idlib, Syria, which is now really difficult place but
04:11
JS: [indistinct] Syria?
04:12
M: Idlib.
04:14
JS: Idlib, oh, yeah. Okay.[laughter]
04:20
AD: So how did they end up in Lebanon and Syria? Do you know that history?
04:29
M: I do not know very well, I know, my paternal grandparents, I think were from Istanbul and ended up in Lebanon. And I do not know how. I do not really have much information about their family. But on my mother's side, I know more than enough because my mother was a family historian. So she wrote a family history book, and she traced her family back on her father's side 500 years and they were always from Aleppo. And again, I guess, according to her research before that they were from Ani in Armenia.
05:02
AD: Van
05:03
M: Van, yeah. And then move to Aleppo. So they were at that point, I think when my mom was one my grandparents met. My grandfather was basically Arab speaking. very Armenian, you know, very Armenian orthodox religion. But just like we speak English, even though we are Armenian, and they spoke Arabic in the family. And do you have questions? Or ̶
05:25
JS: This is very interesting?
05:30
AD: Yeah.
05:30
JS: So you mentioned that your mom wrote a book, is it? Is it published or ̶
05:35
M: No, it is self-published. And I thought about it, but I just thought, you know, it is kind of a very personal book. And I do not know if you know, but my mother did other projects that, that I made sure to donate to the library when she passed away. She did. She was very artsy. And she sewed and did a lot of things like that. And she made like 50 costumes for Armenian historical costumes that were spectacular. And we donate donated them to the Armenian Museum in Boston, where they have them and they display them.
06:09
JS: So your mom did like more Armenian art or traditional cultural ̶
06:15
M: the costumes, like she researched all the history, and all the costumes of women of the various periods starting in pre Christian times, all the way up to you know, the World War I time, and she did all the costumes. It is unbelievable. But I do not have pictures of all of them. But I have pictures of a couple I can possibly send you. Plus she did an oral history project to where she went to. There was an Armenian nursing home in Jamaica Plain Massachusetts. It was all Armenian elderly people. And she did an oral history where she would go in and tape them talking about their experiences during World War I, during the genocide ̶
06:56
AD: So those are the survivors.
06:57
M: The survivors of the genocide, and that we also donated to the museum.
07:03
JS: Wow. It is fascinating.
07:05
M: It is. Yeah.
07:09
AD: It is, it actually is. So when you were ̶ So when did you move to Binghamton?
07:13
M: When I got married. And ̶
07:15
AD: So, you grew up in Boston.
07:18
M: I grew up in Boston? Yep. Where there is a big Armenian community. Yes.
07:22
AD: Okay. Even today, it still continues ̶
07:24
M: Oh, yeah. Okay. So, can you tell me how your surrounding ̶ like, your house ̶ when you were growing up? When you go to your friend's house, like, did your house look different? Are ̶ you know, like ̶
07:42
M: No not really. No, it was pretty similar. My parents were pretty Europeanized. And I do not think that there was anything that would distinct ̶ distinguish us from my friends homes or anything like that. My best friend was Armenian. But that just kind of happened growing up because her parents were friends with my parents. So I do not feel in any way that I grew up feeling different. I went to high school, I went to an all-girls Catholic High School in Boston, where everybody was either Italian or Irish. There is a huge Irish population there. And then I felt a little different because my family you know, did not we went to an Armenian Orthodox Church and this and that, but I never really felt like it has stigmatized me I had a lot of friends and things so did I answer your question?
08:27
AD: Yes. So you did not have anything represents Armenian culture in ̶ like your decorations?
08:36
M: No.
08:36
AD: Nothing like ̶
08:38
M: In my house or my parents’ house?
08:40
AD: In your house or in your parents’ house.
08:45
M: I am trying to think but it was long time ago ̶
08:46
AD: You said made costumes. Was she also, also like, like crochet ̶ you know, stuff like that.
08:55
M: My grandmother did things like that, that my mother had. But my mother did not do those things. And when I was growing up, my mother was not even really that involved with doing those kinds of things that she later went on to do with her research and her book writing and things like that. I see.
09:10
AD: I see. So how about food?
09:13
M: Oh, yes, food? Definitely. We ate Armenian food, which we still love to go and eat Middle Eastern food because it is part of our culture and what we love so the food definitely, yeah.
09:24
AD: And how about your house? Like when you can? Yeah, like, ah, did you eat Armenian food growing out?
09:34
Daughter: That tradition continued? Yeah, yes,
09:38
AD: Food continues language ends, but food continues.
09:42
M: Language did not end either. But it did end with my kids. Unfortunately, that is where I do blame myself that my husband is also Armenian, and he can understand but he does not speak at all. So it became a little bit of an impediment for me just like on an everyday basis to just speak the language but she [referring to her daughter] because she hung out with my mother and me all the time. Got a real earful of Armenian. So she understands a lot more than she even gives herself credit for. I think, yeah.
10:09
Daughter: I wish I spoke fluently, but ̶
10:12
AD: Well, if you have it, so maybe if you visit, yeah, you know, Armenia then or hang out with more Armenian speaking people.
10:24
Daughter: Absolutely. Even after a week of being around extended family, you see yourself understanding more than you even did prior to that. So ̶
10:34
AD: Absolutely. One day. Yeah, yeah. Why not?
10:36
JS: So you said your there was a big Armenian community in Boston. Were you friends with a lot of them? Did you guys have like parties? Or events ̶
10:43
M: Yes, it was fun being a young person in Boston, those days. I belong to the church, the ASA, the Armenian Student Association. And then when I went to college, I belong to another Armenian young adult organization. And there were always dances and I was in a play, speaking in Armenian, I mean, all this crazy stuff, but it was very fun. And actually, my best friend was also Armenian. And we did not even know we were Armenian. Until after we got to know each other and like, “Oh, my gosh, your Armenian too?” Oh, yes. There was ̶ It was great. It was really nice. We had a lot of fun.
11:18
JS: That is good. So is that how you met your husband? Or?
11:20
M: No, we were set up on a blind date.
11:23
JS: Oh really?
11:23
M: Yes. By family? Yeah. Because I have family here in Binghamton. And we were here to visit them once and his elderly aunt met me and thought, “Oh, she might work for my nephew.” So that was how that got set up.
11:40
JS: Interesting.
11:40
AD: So were you expected to marry an Armenian?
11:45
M: You know, you probably think I was but there was not any pressure on me to do so. My mother just said marry the person you love. And my father was never very Armenian in his, in his sentiment and his identity. And my father was very much of like an artistic type who really kind of felt closer to France and all that rather than he did to Armenian but my mother was very Armenian, but she never impose that on me. No.
12:08
AD: How about you with your ̶ How many children do you have?
12:12
M: My daughter and my son who is older? Yeah. I never did ̶
12:17
Daughter: I think it was always something that they recognize would be an asset in a relationship if you had that shared cultural background and understanding of each other. But there was never an expectation attached to it.
12:28
AD: So how do you identify yourself?
12:30
Daughter: Very Armenian? Like, like my mother said, I grew up very close to my, my grandmother and other relatives. And that was always such a fundamental part of their identity that even more than my brother, I think I took that on and I really identify with it.
12:47
AD: Are you married?
12:48
Daughter: Yes.
12:40
AD: Do you have children?
12:51
Daughter: No.
12:51
M: She just got married.
12:52
Daughter: A couple of ̶ three months ago. [laughs]
12:56
AD: Oh, congratulations. How about your brother? Is he married?
12:58
Daughter: He is and two children too.
13:01
AD: So how about his children? Do they identify themselves with the Armenian ̶
13:07
Daughter: There ̶ His wife is European, very Western European. My brother like I said, it is not as much of a part of his identity as it is with mine. It comes through ̶ my mother introduces them to Armenian music.
13:21
M: And I spoke to them in Armenian sometimes when I can they understand body parts, you know, in the Armenian language and things like your toes or whatever.
13:31
Daughter: But I guess time will tell a little bit. They are still very young, so.
13:35
AD: And still a lot is going on in that part of the world. It is good to know that language that is for sure. Yeah. Any languages from that part of the world is really vital. I think.
13:49
JS: Did you guys ever go back to visit Armenia? Or ̶
13:53
M: So going back I told you, my parents sent me between high school and college I spent more than I actually loved it so much in Beirut that I was always supposed, yes. Okay. So I was just turned 18. I took this whole trip all by myself, stayed with my relatives in Syria and in Lebanon, and then ended up staying in Lebanon and loving it so much that I asked my parents that I could go to school there and I went to AUB [American University in Beirut] for two semesters. But then when we started dodging rockets coming from here and there, my parents said “Come home immediately,” so ̶
14:28
JS: Was that during the Civil War?
14:29
M: Yes. The beginning of the Civil War. Yes.
14:31
JS: you were there. Were other Armenians there as well? I would imagine. So yeah.
14:37
M: Oh, huge, huge amount of population of Armenians. Right there. Yes. Yep. Yeah, but I loved it. It was fabulous.
14:46
JS: Yeah, a lot of the food in Lebanon and elsewhere in the Middle East is influenced by Armenian, a lot of the, the meat. I know you guys call them differently.
14:56
AD: Köfte
14:56
M: Yes, köfte, we call it köfte too.
14:59
JS: Oh, you do okay, okay. [laughter]
15:02
M: Absolutely, and we have the dolma, which is like the stuffed zucchini and cabbages and
15:07
Daughter: Grape leaves ̶
15:07
M: Grape leaves, yeah with different kinds of stuffing
15:12
AD: Fasulye.
15:12
M: Fasulye, oh, yeah. Like in my freezer right now. So yeah ̶
15:17
AD: Absolutely. It is the same food. It is just, you know, everybody ̶ like the ethnicity of the food so you can separate.
15:27
JS: It is hard to determine ̶
15:29
AD: From Greece all the way to you know, [indistinct]. You cannot separate it. It is just so intertwined. Yeah, yes.
15:40
Daughter: Absolutely.
15:40
AD: We all eat the same food.
15:42
M: Yes. And it is good, healthy, really delicious food.
15:48
Daughter: She, she is a really good cook.
15:53
M: Oh, [indistinct]
15:54
JS: you cannot say otherwise. You have to say ̶
15:56
Daughter: Oh, that is ̶
15:57
M: That is right. I am twisting her arm behind the scene so you better tell them I am a good cook.
16:02
JS: I would have to do that for my mom.
16:07
M: Oh, she is for sure.
16:08
JS: All right, so you mentioned religion when you came to the US. So back in Beirut, there was a big? Well, you do not quite remember it. But when you grew up here with religion and stuff, there was a lot of Catholic in Boston, right? As the most orthodox was that any barrier to ̶
16:26
M: But there was a big Armenian population there. There are five Armenian churches in the greater Boston area. The different parts of you know, different kind of factions, if you will, of the Armenian Church, the different kind of philosophical slash political beliefs that lead to different kinds of churches. But we were part of the Holy Trinity Armenian Church, and that was where I grew up going. It is a beautiful big church. Right. Yeah. That was there already. When? When we went to Boston.
16:54
JS: Okay. And did you ever go back to Armenia itself?
16:58
M: I have never been to Armenia, I have never been there.
17:01
JS: You do not have any relatives, family there? No,
17:04
M: No.
17:07
AD: How about Istanbul?
17:08
M: I have never been there. And I just feel like all the family ̶ My Turkish people that grew up in Turkey, ended up the ones that I know, have ended up either in Lebanon or Syria.
17:20
AD: So they left, because I ̶ my research deals with non-Muslim groups in Istanbul. And yeah, some people left but like a lot of Armenians from Istanbul, they do not end up leaving ̶ but there are some yes, but, but a lot of them stayed.
17:47
M: That is very ̶ I am sure that is true. I do not like I said, the only people I knew from Istanbul were my paternal grandparents and I do not have any history on why they would have left and why they ended up in Lebanon, I have no idea.
18:01
AD: You could do that research. You could find your ̶
18:05
M: I think that is probably in my future. And I would love to get some help.
18:10
AD: I will help you.
18:11
M: Thank you. I was just going to kind of put that in there, somewhere, yeah.
18:15:
AD: I will help you, yeah.
18:16
M: Because my, my uncle who's still alive, he is in his 90s. Now he sent me like a little family tree with pictures, but it only went back two generations, like his parents, so that on the fourth generation, way from where he came, but I would like to know why they went. I know my mother's mother was born in Antep, Gaziantep I think it is called now, they came from what I was told was a wealthy family there have an Armenian kind of area in Turkey. But I guess when the war started, they just left everything. But they were close enough to Aleppo to not get into some of the difficulties that some of the others did, leaving the country. So they just took a train left everything behind, ended up in Aleppo, where the Syrians had a really amazing social services’ system set up for the people, the refugees from the war, so they had them housed and fed and my grandmother was teaching English unbelievably enough in an Armenian school that got set up in for the orphans in Aleppo. And that was how she met my grandfather, who was a lawyer, actually, he went to law school Istanbul, my grandfather on my mother's side, but then he went back to Aleppo afterwards to practice law.
19:34
AD: Yeah, is it ̶ but the ̶ what I know of the Armenian ̶ majority of non-Muslim population, especially Armenians, they were like really well educated group of people.
19:51
M: Yeah, I my family that has always been stressed. We all you know, doctors, engineers. I have a master's degree clinical social work so and so does my daughter. I mean, we stressed education and my husband has a degree from, from University of Pennsylvania. I mean that, that has always been not financial wealth as much as just really education was always stressed.
20:13
JS: Okay. Yeah. Can you tell us more about your family's history on your mother's side? The one that you know that that is really interesting.
20:21
M: So what do you want me to state ̶ So, so my grandfather's family was there, he went to Istanbul and got his law degree, went back met my grandmother, who was one of the refugees from Turkey, fell in love got married, they had six children in eleven years. And my grandfather became a circuit judge in northern Syria. So they had like ̶ each kid was practically born in a different part. My mother was born in Italy, her younger sister was born in Deir ez-Zor or others born in Aleppo. And then I think the youngest one was born in Damascus, but I could be wrong about that. I cannot remember. So they traveled a lot. But my mother loved Aleppo. Aleppo was very special for her, because that was where she was really little. And ̶ everybody was looking at their phone.
21:12
Daughter: Sorry about that.
21:16
M: So and then, when my mother was I do not know how old she was really, she was still ̶ she went to an Armenian Elementary School in Damascus, because then he got transferred to Damascus. And so my grandfather had quite a stature in his community, in the Armenian community in Damascus. And the Armenian Pope, the pope from Etchmiadzin in Armenia came to Damascus, and he stayed at my grandparents’ home. And they had all kinds of ceremonies and things like that this was a story my mom told over and over. So there was a lot of respect for, for my grandparents in the community. And then he became a member of parliament, and he represented the Armenian population in Syria. And while the French were still in Syria, but then when the French left and the Syrian government, you know, it kind of went into turmoil and all that, then he lost his position there. And then he died shortly after that. That enough, do you have more questions? [laughter]
22:15
JS: That is really interesting. Interesting. Wow. So do you know anything ̶ Do you know more about the French? Like, when Syria was under French control how, how life was there? Or ̶
22:28
M: I think they were very happy. And from what my mother tells me, the various religious minorities, whether it was the, you know, the Muslims, the Armenians, the Catholics, or whoever, they all got along very well. There was no problem. My, my, my grandparents had friends from all walks of life and from all various religious, ethnic backgrounds, and everybody was really comfortable. And I think the French let them be pretty much they did not try to impose them their culture on them so much, so they grew up in a pretty good place. Like I said, my mom went to French schools.
23:06
JS: Yeah. Oh, yeah, that is right. That is the French Connection.
23:07
M: The French Connection. The Franciscan nuns, the French nuns, and my uncle's some ̶ My mother was five brothers and sisters, three brothers and two sisters. So the boys went to a French boy school and the daughters went to a Franciscan.
23:22
JS: Interesting. So what, what really ̶ do you know what happened after when the French when Syria gained independence? Why did, why did your grandfather get kicked out of ̶
23:35
M: I do not know exactly why, but I guess, um it just kind of happened because the Syrians maybe did not identify the Armenians as, as a group that needed to be represented in the parliament. I do not know exactly. But I know that it was very difficult for him afterwards. And he was only in his early 60s and he died of a heart attack shortly after that was very stressful for him. Yeah.
24:01
AD: I am sure it was the stress.
24:03
M: Yeah, yeah.
24:06
JS: What time is ̶ Okay. See if you have any other questions, do you have anything?
24:13
AD: No.
24:15
JS: Do you have anything you want to add on or say? Anything about your family? Anything you can recall, but anything you experienced that was Armenian or linked to Armenia?
24:27
M: Well, my family is dispersed all over the world. And we all maintain our Armenian heritage very closely. We get together as much as we can. We are very close. So I think part of that is just due to our Armenian background, you know,
24:42
JS: Yeah. Do you guys ever like you said mentioned your whole family's around the world? Do you guys ever do like a big family?
24:48
M: Oh, yeah.
24:49
JS: Oh you do?
24:50
M: We just had one about two years ago in Canada, but we have done it in France. We have done it, um ̶ When I was little, we went back to the Middle East with my mom and we spent a whole Somewhere in the Middle East, but I was still little, you know, at that time, so, but I remember oh wait a minute I do remember, I was in my grandmother's kitchen, and that was when Saddam not Saddam. Okay, I am the president of Syria. Oh, Hafez Al Assad was there was a coup d'etat while we were there. This was in 1963. There and so we were at this reunion, and there was a coup d'etat going on, I was in my grandmother's kitchen, all of us. There was like, I have twenty-three cousins, and my mom has lots of siblings and my grandmother and all these people. And they started like guns going off in the street. And they did. They did were curfews. Thank you where you can, you know, leave after so we would all just hang around in one house and the kids. We were having a ball, but the adults were. But then we went to Beirut, and then we you know, got a house and big fire all of us all together. It was great. But yeah ̶
25:55
JS: It is a good place.
25:57
M: Oh, it is so beautiful. I remember that. I remember mountain climbing and just running and playing all day long. It was so beautiful.
26:04
JS: Yes. It is very known to being an Armenian ̶ Armenian place.
26:08
M: Is that so I did not know. Yeah.
26:10
JS: Yeah, Yeah. It is, also it is also a good place for skiing as well. It is up there.
26:15
M: Yeah. Yes, it is. Yeah. It had red dirt. I remember mountain climbing coming home, my mother being mad because our clothes were covered in red soil, and she could not wash out. But yeah, it is a beautiful place.
26:28
JS: Interesting. I do not know what to add.
26:33
AD: Okay. Um, did you hear from your mom, or your dad, like, anything related to the Armenian Genocide?
26:47
M: You know, I was just telling my daughter that I never knew that was a genocide until I went to the Middle East. And even then it was not like it was not a cocktail party conversation. And the only way that I heard it was because my, my mother sister that I am very close to ̶ used to take me on her visiting days when they would go to different lady's houses, and they would have coffee and pastries and stuff. And one of the ladies there was, they would all say she was to be in a Turkish harem. And they said it was because during the war, she was a little girl, and somebody put her in a harem. And then anyway, I do not know how she got out of the harem. I do not know what happened. But I remember saying how did that happen? And they told me Well, there was a war and a lot of Armenians died or, or were killed or went through these death marches. And she was just taken on. But they also said, and this is something I wanted to stress too, you know, yes, it was terrible. And the government made these choices that killed all those Armenians, but the average Turkish person, somebody's neighbor, somebody's friend, we were doing everything they could to help the Armenians behind the scenes, you know,
27:52
AD: Yeah, they are friends, neighbors ̶ Wouldn't you help someone ̶
27:57
M: Absolutely. But I guess their point was, they did not want the whole thing to seem as though there was some monstrous thing going on with everybody participating. It was just kind of ̶
28:06
AD: Yeah, not everybody. Yeah, it was it was political. And then a couple of people decided it was ̶ all political concerns, right? What is going on today? But people that ̶ help each other?
28:21
M: Yes. But I think it was on my parents got divorced. And my mother married a Hungarian man who lived through the war, and then Revolution and the Russian takeover of Hungary. So he was a refugee that went to Boston from Hungary. And so he really, I think, was kind of an impetus for my mother to start researching more about what happened with Armenians and the genocide. And, um so that was when I learned more and more about it, and, yeah ̶
28:50
AD: Because up until the nineteenth century, you know, the, the word is millet. It is like people with book ̶ religious book, like either Jews or Armenians or Greek, you know. They had some rights. It was not like, they do not mean ̶ they were minority. But it was not like, like in the nineteenth century, that they lost everything. It was like that. So but it is all political. Now, fortunately, right? It has happened, but it is. So you do not mean this to arrive or that you recall from your family ̶
29:41
M: As I said, my maternal grandmother left but it was not. It was not a really traumatic, it was very hard for the family because they left everything behind. But there was no physical danger that they were in or anything like that. But on my, my husband's father's side, he grew up in Hadjin [Saimbeyli]. I do not know what it is called. It is like a mountainous area with his family, his father was a priest. And the whole family left and went to Marseilles when things first started, but my father in law who was born the same year as my, my grandmother, so he was born in 1902. Okay, my father in law, so now he would have been like a hundred eighteen years old. So he was a child during World War I. And he got left behind with an elderly relative who could not travel. So he went through a lot. And he thought a lot being where he was, and not being and being fifteen. But somehow, he made it to Marseilles at some point, I do not know details, because he could never talk about it. I think his whole life, he probably had a lot of PTSD as a result of it. Post traumatic. Yeah.
30:54
AD: Yeah. It was not an easy time. That is for sure.
30:55
JS: So when you were ̶ you said you found out when you were in Lebanon? Did you feel like the Armenians, the Armenian community did not really talk about it? Or did they? It felt like something they just want to leave behind? Or ̶
31:10
M: I do not think so I think there are definite groups of Armenians that, you know, wanted, I do not want to say we banned, but wanted it. And I think all Armenians just out of the sake of you know, after the Jewish Holocaust, there was retribution and all that. And that there, there needs to be some sort of closure, some sort of admission and closure. Nobody wants to go take lands back, as far as I know, at least people I know, do not do not want to do that. They just want to sense a closure. And a sense of Yes, you did go through that. And it was terrible. But it is all behind us now. And we can move on from there. You know, and I think we all agree on that. But there are some that are a little more militant than that. I do not know if they are still like that. But when I was a kid growing up in Boston, there were some people that used to get a little more worked up over it.
31:57
AD: Absolutely.
31:57
JS: Yeah that makes sense.
31:58
AD: Yeah, absolutely, um. Go ahead.
32:09
JS: I am thinking I am thinking,
32:11
AD: I had something, but I forgot right now.
32:12
JS: Okay. Um, do you ever plan to go back to do live there? I mean, or like visit one more time, or ̶
32:21
M: If the political situation is not as bad as it is now. I would never go back right now. My, my aunt and my cousin are actually in Damascus, and they are living there. They went to Beirut, when the war was really going on in Syria really badly. They got an apartment in Beirut, and they seem to be doing well. But my aunt was in her eighties just was not happy there. She wanted to be back in her hometown. So when things quite a done in Damascus, her daughter helped, you know, went with her just so that she would not be alone. And they are there. And it worries me now whenever I hear the news and what is going on, but they are so used to it. Not, not to say not to normalize it, but in some ways, you know ̶
33:02
JS: Yeah, yeah. I know what you mean.
33:05
AD: Well, you can always go back to Istanbul. They are like, maybe you do not know your relatives, but the architecture is ̶ like wonderful. Oh, yeah. Armenian architects. And that is my thing, architectural history. So well. I mean, they are, like, beautiful examples of the architecture and the cuisine. Like the ̶ Istanbul the food ̶ It is definitely Armenian and Greek ̶ combination of that Greek culture.
33:42
M: Right.
33:42
AD: It is, it is really, really delicious.
33:44
M: Right, well, my mother used to make Istanbul dishes from learning from her mother in law. And those were my favorites always. They are really good.
33:52
AD: Yeah, it is. It is unbelievable. So and then, you know, the churches.
33:57
M: And the mosques. I know though. Yeah. But also there are like,
34:02
AD: Yeah, but also there are like ̶ beautiful Armenian churches, majority is Gregorian [the Armenian Apostolic Church], we have real a small number of Orthodox Armenians. The majority ̶ I am told about, like more than 90 percent is Gregorian.
34:18
M: Gregorian. I am not sure what ̶
34:20
AD: It is more I think protest.
34:22
M: Oh, okay.
34:23
AD: It is I but still, I think it is not like after the Reformation period, it is still before, but if they ̶ I do not know, I am not a big person. That is the Gregorian.
34:44
M: Okay. You know, I do not think I have ever quite heard that term before. Unfortunately.
34:50
AD: Really? Oh, that is, that is the majority of ̶ the sect.
34:56
M: Okay. But it is more Protestant. You said it is the Protestant.
34:59
AD: That is what I am thinking because it is not orthodox, we have some orthodox Armenians but it is like very small percentage but majority ̶ like Armenians, Assyrians they are Gregorian so do not ask me so much about it.
35:20
M: I am going to go home and Google it and learn about it.
35:26
AD: Yeah. [laughter]
35:26
M: But I ̶ my mother gave me a notebook that belonged to my ̶ It was like my grandfather her father's journal that he kept when he was young like he made the note that the day that my mother was born and wrote about his feelings about having a new daughter and it is beautiful but I cannot really read it because I do not read Armenian I speak it but I do not read it so but there is also a part in it about when he was in law school and about how much he loved Istanbul and again he talked about the architecture and the beauty of the of the land itself and the, the, the beauty of the country you know, so he was very impressed with it. Because he grew up in Aleppo very dry very yeah desert like can almost conditions so ̶
36:09
AD: And whereas Istanbul is all water. You know, you know, of course we have less green now. Thanks to all this unnecessary buildings, structures, but still is, still it is beautiful. I think it is.
36:31
M: Is that where you are from?
36:33
AD: Yes. That is where I am from. So I am not objective about it.
36:39
M: You do not have to be.
36:42
AD: [indistinct] hometown. Yeah, it is different. When you talk about your hometown, definitely.
36:52
JS: Okay. Well, I am just going to wrap up everything but before I do, I just wondering if you have anything else to add about food, culture, religion, experience is at think of any cultural thing. Traditional stuff?
37:10
M: I do not know. I do not think so. I think of anything ̶
37:15
AD: I have a question so like when you name your children? Do you pick Armenian names?
37:23
M: I did not. Although I my daughter's middle name is my mother's name, which was Armenian.
37:29
AD: Yeah.
37:29
M: And my ̶ But no, other than but my great grandma, my grandma, not my grandma. Yeah, yeah, my granddaughter's first name is my mother's name. Lusin. You have, you have seen her at the restaurant? The little girl, not the baby. But the other one. Yes. Her name is Lusin, which is my mother's name, which means moon and Armenian. And so, yes, but other than that, yeah, not. Because my name was always hard. Okay. And I had the one that has probably come to think of it. The one thing that did torment me was my name. Because No, none of my teachers could say it. And so my parents changed my name to Susan, when I was, when I was in elementary school. So somebody would call me Susan instead of Hey, you were Yeah, that one over there. So that was the only thing that I had problems with was my name. Yeah.
38:19
JS: Wow. Interesting.
38:22
M: Yeah, forgot about that
38:23
Daughter: Leaves an impression.
38:25
AD: Yeah. But ̶ I have five letter on my first name, okay. How different ̶ It is not like I have fifteen letter, all consonants together that you do not know how to pronounce it. Five letters. And I have like thirty different versions ̶ how my name spelled and pronounced.
38:49
M: Oh, join the club.
38:50
AD: I do not want to put in the tape now. Some of the things I was told. And I am like, “Really?” Like,
“How did you come up with that?”
39:00
M: Well, exactly. I can I can tell you I had the same experience that was shocking, because if you can read you can tell it that completely off base. But then, but my name is five letters to it is not that confusing.
39:17
AD: You know, Indian names and it stars and it never ends and you are like “Okay.” “How am I going to say that?” It is not like that ̶ five letters. You can come up with something easily. That is amazing to me. It is like, but that is, that is people's laziness. I think seriously, that is how I feel.
39:43
M: Right about I also think that now everybody's name is made up like everybody makes up their kids names. Well, when I was growing up, nobody had any different names than Kathy and Mary and a couple other names and if your name was different than you were different because of it. Which I did not mind. I just wanted them to pronounce my name correctly.
40:04
JS: Yeah.
40:04
AD: Yeah that I totally understand.
40:08
JS: The science of the names.
40:10
AD: You are happy your name is very easy.
40:13
JS: Three words ̶ three letters ̶ Joe
40:17
AD: How can you go wrong with that, right?
40:18
M: Yeah, you cannot go wrong with that.
40:20
JS: Less than a safe so you can just call me there Joe save or Joseph.
40:27
AD: That is easy.
40:28
M: That is easy.
40:30
JS: The only thing with me is that people look like wait your name is Joe. Are you sure? But do not think it is like Mohammed or something like ̶ yes like to make sure.
40:40
Daughter: To convince them
40:41
JS: Convince them.
40:43
AD: Because there is this conception that if you are from Middle- East you must be Muslim or Jewish. It is like you know, if you are a Christian that oh really there is still this you know, I mean if you are from the area you know that is normal but if you are not there is that concept in their mind like majority of the people are Muslim and ̶
41:10
M: That is right. Or they do not know the finer distinctions between ̶ I was born in Lebanon but I am Armenian you were born in Lebanon maybe but your ̶ you are Lebanese or you are Arab extraction whatever, but they do not they do not get that they, they we have Lebanese friends and they call us Lebanese too, because they know we were I was born in Lebanon. So I guess that makes me Lebanese in a way but I guess I really identify with Armenian and not Lebanese you know.
41:39
AD: People who are born and lived all their lives over there. I would say Lebanese Armenian or Turkish Armenian. You know what, like, because you are as much as Turkish if you were born and raised there.
41:59
M: Yeah.
42:00
AD: Like anybody else.
42:01
M: Right?
42:01
AD: That, that is not the ethnicity that ties you to the land.
42:07
M: That is right.
42:08
AD: You are from there. You know, you are from Istanbul and yes, you are from Istanbul. It does not matter what religion you have, what ethnicity you have, you belong that piece of land,
42:20
M: The exact words, but they, but they kind of inter interject the ethnicity into the piece of land you belong to and the language and the religion just go along with it. So it is kind of hard to pull it all apart for people sometimes I think.
42:33
AD: I know
42:34
JS: What, what I believe is might be a bit more like a counter you but I think like where you were born does not necessarily mean. That is who you are. Because I was born in Saudi Arabia. I am not ̶ definitely not Saudi Arabian.
42:49
AD: Come on now.
42:49
JS: I am ̶ no.
42:51
JS: I do not. I like ̶ that land means nothing to me. Just a piece of desert. And that is it.
42:58
AD: Yeah, but you were there for a short period of time. I am talking about people ̶
43:05
JS: That live there ̶
43:05
AD: Generations after generation, do not they think they deserve that, that they are from that piece of land?
43:14
M: Right. Sorry.
43:15
JS: ̶ Can contribute?
43:16
AD: Like they were there for three years or less?
43:19
AD: That is right. That is right. Okay. Hey, that is that is what I get.
43:23
M: Yeah, my, my mother's mother was born in Turkey. She left when she was I do not know how old I guess she was about fifteen when they went to Aleppo, but she spoke Turkish to her sisters her whole life. And I think she had a strong affinity to Turkey. And Antep. She cooked all the food that was really regional Antep cooking, which is awesome, too. You know?
43:46
AD: Yes it is and who knows? How many generations?
43:49
M: Oh, way back.
43:49
AD: ̶ lived here. That is what I am saying.
43:53
M: Exactly
43:53
AD: Yeah. Like something happened. This is all political. At the end of the World War I, like when everything became crazy in that part of the world. So they made this exchange like, for Greeks, like whoever lived in Turkey had to leave look like how shocking that is. They had to leave their motherland, that they been living there for centuries, and they had to go to Greece. Likewise, Turks who have been living in Greece need to leave there. And guess what those people never made that because they were always looked at as an outsider wherever they left. To me, that was the cruelest thing you can do to someone
44:43
M: Definitely being displaced. Yeah, that is a terrible thing. It is.
44:49
AD: It really is forceful, but ̶
44:53
AD: Yeah, so anything else, Joe?
44:56
JS: I do not have anything. No. Think¬ ̶
45:00
M: I do not ̶ I really
45:03
JS: I think it is a wrap.
45:05
AD: Thank you so much.
45:07
M: My pleasure. It was very fun. Very interesting. Very nice to meet you.
45:11
AD: Yes.
(End of Interview)
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Stephen McKiernan's collection of interviews includes more than two hundred interviews with prominent figures of the 1960s, which were collected between the mid-1990s to 2023 The collection provides narratives of people who were actively involved in or witnessed events in the 1960s, an era which spurred profound cultural and political transformation in the twentieth century. Interviewees include politicians, artists, scholars, musicians, authors, and veterans who delve into the decade’s most prominent issues and events, including the civil rights movement, the free speech movement, the anti-war movement, women’s rights, gay rights, segregation, the Vietnam War, Woodstock, Hippies, Yippies, and individualism.<br /><br />
<h3>The McKiernan 22</h3>
<div>Stephen McKiernan interviewed legends of the 1960s. When asked in 2021 where one should start when sifting through his vast collection, he provided the following list:</div>
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<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1866">Bobby Muller</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1175">Craig McNamara</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/910">Dr. Arthur Levine</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/837">Diane Carlson Evans</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/942">Dr. Ellen Schrecker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/876">Dr. Lee Edwards</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/841">Peter Coyote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1233">Dr. Roosevelt Johnson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/899">Rennie Davis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1222">Kim Phuc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/917">George McGovern</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/833">Frank Schaeffer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/840">Rev. Dr. Frank Forrester Church </a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1240">Dr. Marilyn Young</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/842">James Fallows</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/911">John Lewis</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/839">Paul Critchlow</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/888">Steve Gunderson</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/1159">Charles Kaiser</a></li>
<li><a href="https://omeka.binghamton.edu/omeka/items/show/2407">Joseph Lewis</a></li>
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2010-12-02
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Stephen McKiernan
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Heather Booth
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2:56:02
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Baby boom generation; Civil Rights Movement; Women's Rights Movement; War protest; Suffragettes; Activism; University of Chicago; Freedom; School boycotts; Free Speech Movement;
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Heather Booth is a civil rights activist, feminist, and political strategist. Booth started organizing in the civil rights, anti-Vietnam war, and women's movements of the 1960s. She also started JANE, an underground abortion service in 1965. Booth was the founding Director and is now President of the Midwest Academy. She became the Director of the NAACP National Voter Fund, which helped to increase African American election turnout in 2000. She was directing the founding of the Campaign for Comprehensive Immigration Reform in 2005. Booth became the director of the Health Care Campaign for the AFL-CIO in 2008. In 2009, she directed the campaign passing President Obama’s first budget. She was strategic advisor to the Alliance for Citizenship and has been a consultant on many other issues and with other organizations. Booth has a Bachelor's degree in Social Sciences, then in 1970, a Master's degree in Educational Psychology, both from the University of Chicago.
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